Do Other Countries Have LSID?
Over the last few years security and access have been a hot topic here in the states. What we all thought was a win with "Right to Repair" has seemed to poke the hornets nest. I remember when KIA and Hyundai offered full access to service manuals and programming information at no charge. Honda did the same for programming access. It has all changed. The scuttlebutt I hear is that Chrysler has locked down access to friendly dealers giving out SKIM codes. Anyone have a copy of the memo? Who would want to steal a 2004 Sebring?
From what little contact I have with European contacts, access is much easier than it is in the US. I have no idea what the laws are in Canada or Mexico. Is the LSID and D1 form just enforced in the US? Do our Canadian and Mexican counterparts get security access without such forms? Does anyone else get pushback from their customers due to the hassle of getting IDs and signatures?
Hello Michael, Answer to the topic title I dont know if other countries have LSID In my mobile business I had some push back from customers when I told them we needed paper work in order. It was an educational process to explain to them what was going on and I would always be told "the dealer doesn't ask for this". I have spoken to a few contacts at dealers about what they have to do to
Quote: "I have spoken to a few contacts at dealers about what they have to do to program keys etc. and they answer is just type in my dealer codes / user and pin, No accountability for the secure information that they retrieved. I am sure that the OEM server keeps a record of them doing the job. " This situation bothers me. It's not right that the aftermarket is made to continually prove our
All dealers may not be like this I would assume. A friend of mine is a shop foremen/ technician at Toyota and he said there is only one person that can get the cut codes or any key security related data in the entire dealership. But I would assume if you work at a place that was constantly doing keys once the gatekeeper was friends with you he would possible give you the key to the gate.
In Canada , we are the same as the us , we had no access to Honda security info but that may soon be changing, As for euro countries and such I know they do a lot of eeprom work .
Hi Michael, As far as we are informed as independent garage operators in Canada we also do need the LSID licence in order to acquire security codes for various vehicles from the manufacturer sites and I personally have a licence which recently has been migrated to the US thru NASTF. The interesting thing is though that I have talked to a few mobile locksmiths and they are telling me that they
Hi Mike: I vaguely recall reading something about 15 requests per day/user but that was a few years ago. (I probably have it saved on an old hard drive.) This appears to be the current take on things. See Page 26. m.dealerconnect.chrysler.com/dealerconnect….pdf HTH, Guido
Guido, Thanks for the info. I can't say that I like it. If I were an independent garage I would expect a PIN code to come with any security related component. If they said no, I would not buy the part from them. Just my 2 cents. -Mike
Mike, I agree with your idealogy but where else are you going to buy the part? About a year ago our local dealer stopped giving out the pins. That coincides with the date of that document.
There are online sources that are dealers that discount heavily, excess inventory or new old stock. Many modules still can be second hand and work. I know that it is not always practical. The way to give a message to the OEM is through their profits. If the dealer sales drop when all the local shops go somewhere else they would have to address the problem. The dealers and OEMs need to realize we
Mike, the practicality of sourcing parts online is definitely a big deal, especially if your in an area that is close to the dealers and can get parts delivered in a couple hours. I agree that impacting their sales should make a difference. I don't have any numbers but I'll wager that the aftermarket parts sales department is not their cash cow. I'm not sure there's anything that can be done
Hi Brian: Canadian Vehicle Security Professionals on the VSP program in Canada since 2012 have used an LSID (called a vehicle security professional ) code. We paid NASTF for each code after a thorough vetting of the candidate and criminal record history and trades certification inquires. On June 9, 2018, NASTF stopped registering those professionals for codes and on Dec 6 cancelled all codes in
Here in Australia it's still like the wild west... Our industry bodies are still fighting for a right to repair type agreement, so we get access to very little. Example - Just yesterday for something as simple as a pcm calibration to correct the common Mazda P2096 post cat fuel trim too lean code I have to sign in to Mazda with a fake US address to access and load the updated calibration to the
Michael roughly what are the cost in getting a LSID ?
Hi Gary, You can get the info from NASTF nastf.org/i4a/pages/inde… My understanding is that there is a registration fee plus you have to show that you have a state license if required and a substantial insurance policy. There used to be a background check. Not sure if that is done any longer. There is a cost when requesting a key code or security access with most OEMs.