Keys wont program

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2008 Ford Escape XLS 2.3L (Z) 4-spd (CD4E)
Security Theft / No Start
Keys Won't Program

So I have the above vehicle with a theft light on. The keys will not program. Before I got to the vehicle the key transceiver and new keys were replaced with factory parts. When I looked at the immobilizer information I could see that the vehicle was seeing a signal so I don't see a need to test the key transceiver. I attempted to program the keys with my im608. I could not. FYI I have done several dozen ford vehicles with the im608 and have never had any issues programming keys as long as the system was working as it should be. So I told the client to replace the instrument cluster cause every time I have ran into this situation it has been an issue with the security module(AKA instrument cluster) assuming all other components are good. So the reman one was installed and I programmed it. Did a parameter reset and tried to program the keys. And same issue can't program the keys. Grabbed the snap on and launch and still the same issue. Has anyone ever ran into this. I'm not sure where to go from here. NOTE!! I plan on checking the key transceiver to make sure that it is actually working. I have also tested the 2 old keys and the 2 new ones and they all are working. i can communicate with all modules. Only codes are no keys programmed and antitheft attempt as of writing this.

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Jorge Mechanic
New York
Jorge
 

Unfortunately you went the change this part guessing route. Did you check to see if the antenna actually sends signal? Relays, fuses? What’s the backstory? 2008 is known for PCM’s shorting out because of wiring by the MAF or around the engine bay. Could be it had GPS and didn’t pay? Too many variables.

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Kerry Mobile Technician
Ohio
Kerry
 

What do you mean by "could be it had GPS and didn't pay "?…I'm not familiar with what you mean?

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Jorge Mechanic
New York
Jorge
 

Some cars have cutoff systems that independent dealers have installed. So when you miss a payment, they shut the car off. But still have no background on why they replaced the antenna, which needs testing, or how it ended up AKL? More questions

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Ralf Owner/Technician
Illinois
Ralf
 

LOL Funny, I ran into this a couple of times. usually put in place by buy here pay here type places.

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Phillip Diagnostician
Alaska
Phillip
 

Honestly I was to come program the keys and what I think was the issue not to really test anything. Which I shouldn't of done. Should of said idk unless I can test things myself. The client had replaced the keys, transceiver and then erased the keys and tried programming them back. Then I was called. The has no GPS. it is owned by the boss.

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Phillip Diagnostician
Alaska
Phillip
 

It has an auto start but its unplugged from the car. And yes I made the mistake of taking their word for something. But I did tell them if they were sure the key receiver was okay and I can't program a key then its an issue with the instrument cluster module as long as the signal is getting to the cluster. but I should told them to let me actually do the testing. I have had the pcm out the…

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Sam Mobile Technician
Michigan
Sam
   

Have you tried ids or fjds? These are problems with lots of aftermarket tools

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Kerry Mobile Technician
Ohio
Kerry
 

Parameter reset on the IM608 is best done with any of the latest updates applied to the tool. We have seen some that didn't work until updating was performed. There could still be some holes on certain models also I guess. How sure are you of the wiring between the replaced antenna module and the cluster? You could scope it but a quick check would be to back probe all four wires at the antenna…

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John Owner
Mississippi
John
 

Just because you bought factory keys don’t mean there are correct I work on a Ford 2 days and found they sold me wrong style key so may want to check u have correct keys parts departments make mistakes too

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Luis Technician
California
Luis
 

Call autel techsupport … option 3 and 6 they will log in your tool and walk you through out the process

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Jose Educator
Texas
Jose
 

Is the process to gain access timing out?

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Tanner Instructor
South Carolina
Tanner
 

First things first: Two keys must be used to program from all keys lost You need to check the key ID numbers, they CAN NOT be clones of each other, the ID numbers must be different You need to check the antenna output type and make sure the keys you have are the correct type of chip Once you do this make sure there are no extra keys taped anywhere from a previous remote start system Once…

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Gene Owner/Technician
Pennsylvania
Gene
 

I'm reading through this thread as I've been abused by a Ford previously not being able to program the keys. The issue turned out to be I had 2 keys but they were cloned so when trying to program them the PCM thought I was using the same key. Question for Tanner, what tool are you using to check the key ID numbers to confirm you don't have a set of cloned keys?

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Tanner Instructor
South Carolina
Tanner
 

Gene, I use the key tool max. If you reach out to Isaac Rodell through fb messenger he can get you set up with one. They are in expensive and work well for checking keys, antennas and if you purchase the obd dongle with it, it will also program most keys and pull pin codes on some chryslers.

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Phillip Diagnostician
Alaska
Phillip Update
 

Just got off the phone with the owner as I was replying to you guys. He wants me to come down and test it the way I would normally handle this from the start. So I'll for sure scope the antenna tonight. check the key part numbers and it was mentioned that I didn't even think about was if they are clones. IDK why my Autel would have a problem now when that year range has been fine before but you…

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Laurence Student
Alberta
Laurence
   

I had a similar issue with an 07 F150, trying to program keys. First time the replacement key I got from the locksmith, told them I needed it to be unprogrammed; the truck came with 1 key, the other having been lost. So, thinking I had a good key, I dumped the existing key memory, used the original key, swapped the new key, PCM says good. Exit programming to check, 1 key registered😡. Went back…

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Sean Owner
Arizona
Sean
 

The 80 bit 4d63 is supposed to be backwards compatible with the 40 bit. I don't even have the 40 bit keys. I just stock the H92/H84 from American Key Supply, and I have had zero issues. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that all of the chips you got were 80 bit.

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Laurence Student
Alberta
Laurence
 

I don't even remember what the original transponder chips that were installed in the key fobs but they refused to program and eventually stopped triggering the antenna all together. Which is what led me to order a handful of each, cause I was tired of wait 10+ minutes only find out it failed…

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Tony Owner/Technician
Missouri
Tony
 

I just bought some 4D74 chips for the same reason - of the aftermarket remote head keys I received for a customer, two of three wouldn't program. I opened one up, fished out the wrong or bad transponder, and inserted the 4D74. Then I could program a second replacement key. This took three visits. The factory keys are $200 each which is pretty crazy so buying aftermarket keys made more sense, but…

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Marti Owner/Technician
Michigan
Marti
 

Ive never heard of a 4D74….might U recall a Year/Make/Model these were for?…..or Link the the chips from AKS?…..as i did a search on their site and did not produce any results for 4D74….thnx

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Tony Owner/Technician
Missouri
Tony
   

Americankeysupply​.​com/product/tex-4d…

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Jorge Mechanic
New York
Jorge
 

Any updates?

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Michael Owner/Technician
Texas
Michael
   

Once all keys are erased, it will learn the next two keys. Parameter Reset if PCM needs to restore password between BCM and PCM. If it doesn't learn keys, you have other issues.

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Bill Owner/Technician
Michigan
Bill
 

If your keys are correct and your antenna signal is verified. Do a battery disconnect for 10 minutes and retry.

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Dennis Owner/Technician
Michigan
Dennis
 

You stated it has a code for theft attempt this is probably stopping the programming.

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Phillip Diagnostician
Alaska
Phillip
 

The code is one I have seen almost every time I get called out to program a ford key. It always goes away once I program the keys and has never stopped my form doing an actual key program. It is just telling me that hey some turned the ignition with a key that is not authorized.

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Chris Technician
California
Chris
 

I would check to see if a transponder chip is glued to the underside of the antenna maybe it was put there f o r the auto start I have seen it before. Best of luck.

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Phillip Diagnostician
Alaska
Phillip Update
 

So I checked the transponders and they are the 4d63 80 bit keys. Each key had their own id's. I was using the im608 programmer to chick this. I had a good transmit and respond signal getting to the instrument cluster and antenna. I also had good voltage and ground at the antenna. At this point they sent it to the dealer and they will get back to me. Their is a real concern that my tool might be…

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Bill Owner/Technician
Michigan
Bill
 

Why not use FJDS with a short term subscription it's only $50 and easy to download and install.

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Phillip Diagnostician
Alaska
Phillip
 

I was going to, but I thought They removed that feature. I was going to ask before I just purchased the subscription and I had to go to another call anyways. The client didn't want to wait.

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Phillip Diagnostician
Alaska
Phillip Resolution
 

So this is what the dealer said. I guess the fix was the reprogramming pats, PCM and doing and unlimited key procedure.(I have no idea what an unlimited key procedure. never needed it before.) In case anyone ask I completely removed the autostart boxed from the vehicle and inspected the wiring to make sure I didn't have any factory wiring that had to go through the autostart box.

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