Ford as-built data incorrect?

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2015 Ford F-250 Super Duty XLT 6.7L (T) 6-spd (6R140) — 1FT7W2BT7FEA97886
P1639

back story: Truck is at another shop from a used car dealer. truck was previously deleted. truck has had a new after treament system installed. i was called out to program truck back to stock as the tuner is long gone.

initially, I couldn't start a session with IDS, which was nothing new for me with a deleted truck, attempted everything i could to start a session with a current module. nothing worked so decided to install a new module. was able to program new module with tear tag number from oasis. programmed keys, truck started, everything seemed fine. now theres a communication code for the particulate matter sensor module (the truck didnt have a connector or spot in exhaust for a sensor that i saw) and also a P1639 for vehicle ID block corrupt. customer also stated the ford dealer told them this truck did not have a DPF pressure sensor when the new exhaust has a port and the truck has a connector for it. 

im waiting for the truck to be brought to the shop but my gut is telling me theres an issue with ford's database for this particular vehicle. if there is whats the next step to correct this and get the correct calibration?

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Mike Instructor
California
Mike
 

Please clarify: You state: "(the truck didn't have a connector or spot in exhaust for a sensor that I saw)," but then state: “the new exhaust has a port and the truck has a connector for it. ” Which is it?

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Austin Diagnostician
Pennsylvania
Austin
 

particulate matter sensor and DPF pressure sensors are two separate sensors in two different locations.

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Mike Instructor
California
Mike
 

I know. I just misunderstood your comments. Sorry about that.

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Benjamin Service Manager
New York
Benjamin
 

I ran into this once on a mustang. Had to replace the smart junction box and due to the failure I wasn't able to download the old module before replacing it. No problem, I figured i would just retrieve the as-built data. put the new sjb in and sent the customer on their way. they returned stating the cruise control wasn't working anymore. Went through every inch of that system and couldn't find…

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Austin Diagnostician
Pennsylvania
Austin
 

Thats what im starting to think. Luckily theres no shortage of diesel fords around our shop. Im sure I can find one in the parking lot or in our customer list

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Israel Mobile Technician
Illinois
Israel
 

when replacing the ecm on ford diesels there is a procedure where you have to input the engine block informatio, same as when you replace a transmission and do the valve body ID. Hope this helps.

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Chris Technical Support Specialist
New York
Chris
 

Engine serial number is just a data line, and normally not required for vehicles under 14,000 GWV Injector IQA numbers are also required, but neither should trigger P1639.

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Austin Diagnostician
Pennsylvania
Austin
 

ive never had to do engine serial number on an F series. i did transfer the iqa codes though.

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Shannon Owner/Technician
California
Shannon
 

Did you get an error message at the end of programming

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Austin Diagnostician
Pennsylvania
Austin
 

I got an error after the “crank for 5 seconds” that said there may be an issue or the keys werent programmed. Which they werent yet so I assumed thats all it was.

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Chris Technical Support Specialist
New York
Chris
 

Maybe reperform the PMI to see if no faults this time since keys are already learned.

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Austin Diagnostician
Pennsylvania
Austin
 

i also updated IDS. it wasnt that far behind but i think thatll be my first thing i try when it gets back to me.

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Shannon Owner/Technician
California
Shannon
 

Have you double-checked programmable parameters for being updated and correct

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Ryan Owner/Technician
British Columbia
Ryan
 

Beside attempting to reprogram the PCM for the P1639, this VIN and model year should have a PM sensor. Also there should be two ports for the DPF delta pressure sensor. Was the exhaust a new purchase from Ford or a lightly used take off from another truck? This almost sounds like a 2011-12 exhaust but obviously you will know when you get a better look. Was any wiring replaced during the repair?…

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Austin Diagnostician
Pennsylvania
Austin
 

No it only has a single port for the pressure sensor. All the replacement parts are new from ford. Luckily no wiring was damaged. Everything was just unplugged. But I agree, it does seem like an exhaust from an older generation

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Ryan Owner/Technician
British Columbia
Ryan
 

Yes, since the 2013 there has been two ports for the DPF sensor and if you only have one port but two NOx sensors that would fall inline with a 2012 system. I am very interested to see the conclusion of this one!

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Austin Diagnostician
Pennsylvania
Austin
 

yea im definitely going over this thing with a fine tooth comb when it gets to the shop. i may have missed something obvious when i first went to program it. the VIN on the dash and the door match. the door says the manufacture date is june of ‘14. i knew this was going to be an interesting one when the ford dealer sold an exhaust system that has a port for a sensor that they say doesnt exist…

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Kevin Owner/Technician
Arizona
Kevin
 

What is the part# they sold you. I show FC3Z5H270C No PM sensor that I saw.

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Glen Owner/Technician
Illinois
Glen
 

Per Vin PM Module/Sender GC3Z5L239A (From 3/17/14)

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Israel Mobile Technician
Illinois
Israel
 

Vehicle Identification (VID) Block Some PCMs contain a memory area called a Vehicle Identification (VID) block. The PCM VID block commonly stores powertrain configuration items such as Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) , tire size, axle ratio, and whether or not the vehicle is equipped with cruise control. This info is from for PMI procedure. Hope this helps.

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