A Chrysler Factory Scan Tool Timeline
Good afternoon fellow professionals,
I've taken the time to research OBD 2 Chrysler Factory Scan Tools and wanted to share what I found. This is for another project but I wanted to run it by you guys and gals before I wrap it up. Please let me know if I need to add or correct anything.
Vehicles on the road today are mobile networks. Each vehicle system needs a computer or control module to manage and monitor that system. Often, these seemingly independent control modules depend on other control modules to function. They must be able to communicate with each other and they do so on a bus, otherwise known as a communication network. This is not a new concept, but every year more systems and modules are making their way onto vehicles. This is increasing the complexity of these vehicle networks. What does this mean for the general Independent, aftermarket, mechanical or collision repair business? It means that we should be considering factory scan tools (scan tools used in dealer franchise service departments) and service information if we truly want to be able to handle our vehicle mix in a thorough, efficient and profitable manner. I’m not suggesting that there isn’t a place for aftermarket scan tools or service information in our businesses. I’ve found that both are needed to increase the likelihood of knocking it out of the park on every job. I realize that there are a lot of different, successful business models out there. Not everyone of these business models can support a journey like this. When considering ROI, you might not think that it makes sense for you and your business. You might consider subletting some of those jobs out to other local businesses that have committed to making these investments. Often, this means a mobile diagnostics and programming company. In this series, we will cover the most popular vehicle manufacturers one at a time, providing the information that you’ll need to make an educated decision. So, sit back and relax. We’ve got this.
We have a lot of work cut out for us so where do we start first? I’ll give you a hint, this vehicle manufacturer has had 6 different factory scan tool interfaces and 5 different scan tool platforms in the past 14 years?
Yes, we’re going to start with Chrysler.
We're going to start with Post OBD 2 and the DRB 3. The DRB 3 is a hand-held Chrysler factory scan tool for non-CAN Chrysler vehicles but also has non-CAN, Global, OBD 2 Scan Tool capabilities as well as an oscilloscope. Don't expect much from the oscilloscope. Compared to modern oscilloscopes, I’d consider the scope in the DRB 3 more like a graphing voltmeter. The DRB 3 will never time out meaning that it does not require a subscription to function. You will, however need a Tech Authority Subscription to access and download the calibration files needed to program Non-CAN, Chrysler Modules. Super Cards were needed in early models (pre-98) and other special applications like Chrysler branded Mercedes or Mitsubishi products like the Mitsubishi based Stratus, the Mercedes based Chrysler Crossfire and the Mercedes based Dodge Sprinters. There were different Super Cards for each of these special applications. Super Cards were inserted into the lower section of the tool. Special adapters called Multiplexers and cables were needed for certain applications as well.
Next on the list is the Star Scan. The Star Scan is a hand-held Scan tool. It was the first Chrysler factory scan tool used for CAN only vehicles. None of the scan tools used for CAN vehicles were backward compatible, meaning that they would not function on non-CAN vehicles with exception of the DRB 3 Emulator that was included with the first wiTECH application (We will touch on this later). This tool was pretty much obsolete when it hit the Market. It was very slow. It didn’t take long before the Hardware couldn't keep up with updates. A subscription was not needed for this tool to function, but a subscription was needed for tool updates and a Tech Authority subscription was needed to access and download calibrations needed to program Can Chrysler vehicle modules. The Star Scan is no longer sold or supported.
The Star Mobile was Chrysler's first Scan Tool Interface that was designed to be used with a laptop. The interface was the hardware that connected to the vehicles DLC (Data Link Connector) but you would need a laptop with the downloaded Star Mobile Desk Top Client software for the scan tool to function. The installation and update software were downloaded from a disc. The Star Mobile could also be used as a functional Interface for the first wiTECH application that would be released later (Discussed later).
Star Mobile Desk Top Client was the software used with the Star Mobile. This software was quickly replaced with the wiTECH Application called the wiTECH Desk Top Client. As mentioned earlier, the Star Mobile Interface could be used for the wiTECH application for most of the existence of wiTECH.
The wiTECH VCI Pod is an interface that came out at the same time as the wiTECH application. At one point, the only way to purchase the wiTECH was with a package that included with the special wiTECH gateway (Basically a router configured to be used with the VCI Pod and to link with Chrysler’s server, the mother ship). When Chrysler first launched the application, franchise new car dealers were told that there was a wiTECH install and support team that would have to set everything up. The franchise dealers were not to set anything up on their own. Often, those teams never came and finally, the franchise dealers installed the system themselves. This was about the time of the bail out and bankruptcy. For aftermarket service facilities, the wiTECH package was around $8,000.00 with a years’ worth of wiTECH licensing, support and programming capabilities. Sometime later, wiTECH decided to offer a more economical option that came with a less expensive router and support limited to email. This package was around $4000.00 and was called wiTech Lite. A DRB 3 emulator was included in the wiTECH application not long after wiTECH was released. This Emulator allowed the user to scan and program non-Can Chrysler's through the wiTECH application. The DRB 3 Emulator was just that, an emulator and emulators are rarely as good as the real thing. Early on, the emulator was okay but did get better over time with updates.
The wiTECH MicroPod was the next generation in Chrysler factory scan tool interfaces. The MicroPod is a pocket-sized dongle that plugged into the vehicles DLC. A wiTECH subscriptions was needed to use the wiTECH application. This tool would time out and be unusable if the subscription lapses. If you had an original VCI Pod and the wiTech software from V13.03.38 or prior, and never updated it, the tool would never time out. You could use it as a stand-alone tool, meaning that you couldn't get all the benefits from the application, and you couldn't program. Before this update, the application could be used in an offline mode, allowing it to function without connecting to the wiTECH server and checking the pod for registration and account information. Again, this is stand-alone diagnostics only, you wouldn't be able to program, you would be limited in application features and you would limit yourself to older models due to the older update.
Tech Authority is the aftermarket portal for accessing subscriptions needed to download Chrysler flash files for programming Chrysler's modules regardless of what scan tool or programming device that you are using.
Next, the MicroPod 2 was released for compatibility issues with certain models. A while later wiTECH 2 was released to reduce cybersecurity and theft issues with Chrysler vehicles. With the wiTECH 2 release there was news of a sundown or elimination of the original wiTECH application. The other fun fact, your MicroPod 2 had to have a serial number of WPS-31560 or above. Older MicroPods would not be compatible with wiTECH 2, meaning that some users had to buy, yet another scan tool interface for use with witech 2. If you had a Micropod with a serial number that would allow you to register the device for the witech 2 and you did, that device could never again be used with the original wiTech application. The sundowner mentioned above did take place late in 2017 but according to sources, the original wiTECH application is still available to dealer franchises due to wiTECH 2 not being 100% compatible with some older CAN platforms. The new wiTech 2 is a cloud-based application meaning that you will need access to the internet for the scan tool to function.
The DRB 3 emulator is not available in wiTECH 2, so as it stands, the aftermarket needs to buy the separate standalone DRB 3 emulator from Controller Technologies Corporation or find a used DRB 3 if they want Factory non-CAN Chrysler coverage.
· Non-CAN Chrysler vehicles.
· Full factory scan tool functions (Some special Super Cards, adapters and cables needed for some Chrysler branded Mercedes and Mitsubishi products).
· No longer sold, supported or serviced by formal vendors. There are very small companies that offer repairs, but parts are limited to old stock or parts used from non-functioning DRB 3 units.
· Chrysler module programming with a Tech Authority subscription
DRB 3 Emulator
· Controller Technologies Corporation DRB 3 is a stand-alone PC based scan tool. We are not referring to the DRB 3 Emulator that was included with wiTECh. This is the only legitimate option when looking for Factory coverage on non-CAN Chrysler vehicles. Keep in mind, that emulators are rarely 100% effective at emulating what they are designed to emulate. The DRB 3 is no exception, although, according to AE Tools, a distributor and support company for factory scan tools, the Controller Technologies Corporation DRB 3 is more capable of handling some of the oddball early CAN PCI Hybrid vehicles that were released during the early stages of the CAN protocol. In this way, it might be superior to the original DRB 3.
· Nearly full factory scan tool coverage. This emulator has the same exceptions as the DRB 3 regarding Chrysler branded Mercedes and Mitsubishi products but a PC Based DRB 3 Multiplexer is available for Crossfire and Sprinter applications.
· The kit comes with non-powertrain ECU calibration files for programming body and chassis modules without the need for a Tech Authority Subscription.
· Powertrain programming available with a Tech Authority subscription.
wiTECH 2 and the MicroPod 2
· Full factory scan tool functions with full programming capabilities on CAN compliant Chryslers.
· A wiTECH 2 subscription will be needed for scan tool function.
· wiTECH 2 subscriptions are available in three different terms. A 3-day subscription is $50.00, a 30-day subscription is $200.00 and a 365-day subscription is $1600.00
· Cloud/Internet based so an internet access is needed for the application to function.
· A Tech Authority subscription is needed for programming. You will need to have an active wiTECH 2 subscription as well.
· Tech Authority subscriptions are available in eight different terms. 1-day subscription is $24.95, a 3-day subscription is $35.00, a 7-day subscription is $70.00, a 30 day subscription is $250.00, a 3 month subscription is $600.00, a 6 month subscription is $1000.00, a 1 year subscription is $1800.00.
See attached for vehicle to diagnostic tool reference chart
Here is the link needed to set up a wiTECH account.
Here is the link for the site to purchase Tech Authority subscriptions.
To recap, if you find that you need Non-Can Chrysler coverage, you might consider buying a Controller Technologies Corporation DRB 3 Emulator. Normally I would say that it would be best to buy the Genuine DRB 3 but they’re only available used at this point and they are very expensive. You can expect to invest $2200-$3000 on a functional used DRB 3. A significant risk on a used tool that might not be repairable if needed.
For full factory diagnostic and programming capabilities on CAN Fiat/Chrysler automobiles, it’s very clear that you’ll need a MicroPod 2 with a serial number WSP-31560 or higher, a wiTECH subscription and a Tech Authority subscription for programming.
I'll add that on a 2018 FCA product you have to have a tech authority subscription to even use the witech 2.
FCA has done a great job of shooting themselves in the foot with their scan tools.
New DRB III does not exist for purchase anymore. Franchise dealers only have the option to annually lease terms now, and the same option is available to the aftermarket. The only way to purchase one is used, and three are limited available replacement parts.
Currently WiTech2.0 can be used with select J-Devices. You must subit your J-Device serial number during the subscription process so FCA can determine whether it passes standards for security. Once approved you can use WiTech2.0 on a short or long term basis.
Thanks Randy. Is this an R2R 2018 and newer deal or is this backward compatible?
I tried to use the WiTech2.0 and J-2435 interface with a 2014 CAN vehicle. The WiTech would not work. It said it was a non-supported vehicle. The help reply was that it only work on 2018+ vehicles as required by RTR.
Anything that WiTech2.0 can connect to is my understanding. One of our instructors is using it with a Cardaq Plus3. Here is a link to FCA's video on how to set up WiTech2.0 for the aftermarket... youtube.com/watch?v=CdW0y2…. How FCA is going to handle access with the Smart Gateway may be a totally different issue.
When using Witech 2.0 with a J2534 device you will be limited to 2010 and newer vehicles.
The Micropod 2.0 with WiTech 2.0 software will do 2005 and newer.
In order to communicate with the following vehicles, you will need a device that has support to Chryslers extra CAN line, like the Drewtech Cardaq Plus 3 or Cardaq M with Mega CAN module:
- 2015 and newer Jeep Renegade / Fiat 500x- 2017 and newer Fiat Spider /- The All-New Jeep Compass / Alfa Romeo Giulia- 2018 All North American FCA Vehicles
Thanks for the clarification Scott.
Isn't there also a separate tool "registration " fee that's assessed now in addition to the tech authority sub?
Although I'm unsure if it applies to a J2534 device, there has been a $1,600.00 per year uh, "registration" fee, required for use with wiTECH. This is separate from any of the Tech Authority subscriptions one may choose.
The $1600.00 subscription is for the wiTech 2.0 diagnostic software, whether it runs on a Micropod or J-device. The Tech Authority subscription is for flash files and service information. There are short term options for wiTech and Tech Authority also.
I have been using my oem drb3 to flash vehicles with laptop, null modem serial cable, and drb3 cd rom and winflash.
Sure. But you cannot do any CAN Chrysler vehicles.
It appears that if Chrysler continues its current path and is successful the security issues that we as an independent technician will face will be catastrophic for us. If the general auto technician doesnt have a factory authorized scan tool with an approved interface, performing some basic procedures will be non existant. Chrysler as of today as far as i am aware of do not have any intentions of releasing all there service information to the aftermarket tool manufacturers. Now more than ever is the time to notify nastf and lobby for this to not happen. If they only allow access to certain modules how are we supposed to fix these vehicle's with a "partial" scan tool. Most shops probably can't afford the factory tool. Anytime an oem withholds access to the aftermarket will hurt our industry. The R2R act needs to be enforced now more than ever. If we as independent technicians need to band together and stop this. If Chrysler is successful with this don't you think other oems will follow suit? Just some random thoughts. Chrysler....grrrrrr!!
"... catastrophic for the Chrysler owner" is how the 1st sentence reads in my eyes.
Catastrophic means for the general service tech
Time constraints prohibit my dissecting your data for accuracy but folks will get the gist of the information presented. For instance, the first MicroPOD2 was still a MicroPOD2, In addition, the wiTECH 2.0 application required a MicroPOD2 to have a certain serial number, which when configured for use with wiTECH 2.0, would no longer work when used with wiTECH (1.0). There's more but absolutely, you're pretty close to being 100% accurate. The rest is like picking fly s#it out of black pepper.