Inner Tie rod locking mechanism

David Diagnostician Georgia Posted   Latest   Edited  
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2012 Honda CR-V EX-L 2.4L (K24Z7) 5-spd

I have done many inner tie rod ends, but never seen one that I could not understand what prevents the tie rod from spinning off.

Normally there is a locking washer with tabs that fit into the steering rack, then you torque the tie rod to spec, and bend the tabs over the flats to keep it from spinning off.

This one has a smooth ID with no tabs to grab the steering output, and the tabs are pre-bent over the flats of the tie rod. I wanted to understand the method by which this particular one works before installing.

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Dan Owner/Technician
Texas
Dan
 

… New one on me …inner ends always screwed ONTO the ends of the rack shaft ,,, not INTO…. I HAVE seen small PINS that were driven THRU the spin ON part to keep them from spinning OFF…. are you sure there is not a very small pin HOLE that would allow a keeper PIN to be driven INTO the rack (hollow) where that male thread set screws INTO (and thus LOCKING the two together) ??? … Dan H.

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David Diagnostician
Georgia
David
 

I took the time to unbend the tabs prior to removing the original inners, only to discover that I did not even have to do that. I guess these Honda's are just held on with threadlocker.

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Steven Owner/Technician
Illinois
Steven
 

A lot of late model Fords there is no lock washer or pin. The inner tie rod end is supplied with a small tube of red threadlocker. inner tie rod end also screws into the rack shaft not over it Some Toyota products (Prius -Sienna) call for an entire rack replacement if the inner ends are worn out. It’s either replace the entire rack or source some inner ends online that are unbranded Chinese…

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Zeb Diagnostician
California
Zeb
   

Couple years ago I had an inner tie rod that had ZERO wrench flats. Used this tool w/o issue : napaonline​.​com/en/p/SER946?ci…;

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David Diagnostician
Georgia
David
 

Have to apply a formula to the re-torqing with that offset.

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Chris Technical Support Specialist
New York
Chris
 

If the tool is used 90° from the torque wrench handle, it should not change the setting,

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Steven Mechanic
Washington
Steven Resolution
 

If you look up “Steering Rack End Removal and Installation” in the service manual, it shows that once you have it installed correctly and tightened down, there is a specific place you stake the washer to lock it in place.

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David Diagnostician
Georgia
David
 

Those were great keywords that yielded exactly what I was after on Google. Thanks :)

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Steven Mechanic
Washington
Steven
 

You’re welcome 👍

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David Diagnostician
Georgia
David
 

What is the torque spec on the inner tie rod end to steering gear?

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Dan Owner/Technician
Texas
Dan
 

… “Gootentight”… {8^)~ … German virgin tight … just a little Dan humor … sorry … I never saw a spec listed … although I sure there is one somewhere … Dan … Hobbs .

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Dan Owner/Technician
Texas
Dan
 

… idFix list tie rod “nuts” and “lock nuts” as 40 lb ft and 32 lb ft respectively… although I think that is the ones you mess with for alignment (not end to rack attachment)… didn't find a listing on a quick search… sorry for the previous attempt at humor… Dan … Hobbs .

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David Diagnostician
Georgia
David
   

No problem. From the lack of information on these inner tie rod ends, I do not think they were meant to be replaced separately from the steering rack.

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Dan Owner/Technician
Texas
Dan
 

… I think you are probably right on that… I usually sell a “long rack” and avoid this problem all together… new bellows and gear … and a warranty … Dan … Hobbs.

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Dan Owner/Technician
Texas
Dan
 

… Found “Tie rod stud” at 40 lb. ft. … prolly still not the rod to rack end though… I'd go with “Gootentight” … L … Dan . Hobbs .

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David Diagnostician
Georgia
David
   

Well, buy definition stud refers to male threads and when referring to tie rod, the inner is the only component that fits that description. I would say 40 lb ft (aka Gootentight) would be the number I am looking for.

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Dan Owner/Technician
Texas
Dan
 

… Except when speaking of a “tapered stud” … like on the outer end to knuckle… very vague IMHO … Gootentight works for me … Dan H . … Hobbs .

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