Hey GM Techs

Anthony Technical Support Specialist Kirkwood, Pennsylvania Posted   Latest  

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. Is this accurate? Does the General offer pay for putting the other vehicle back together?

autoserviceprofessional​.​com/article/103232…

Guido

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Tom Technician
La Crosse, Wisconsin
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All that and you get .3

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Matthew Mobile Technician
Bartlett, Illinois
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This is just the beginning of a worsening industry issue. OEM service information sucks, trainers do not fully understand the systems they are teaching, and techs are not compensated to be techs... BTW, all that testing can be done in the bay, maybe a short test drive needed... but you have to actually understand diagnostics and the system you are working on... I guess we will just stick to…

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Michael Diagnostician
Elmwood Park, Illinois
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Unfortunately that is what the manufacturers have included in so many trouble trees for years is swap with known good parts. Obviously there is much better ways to actually diagnose the vehicle than disassembling another vehicle that you may or may not have access to. If todays technicians don't wake up and realize that training isn't optional anymore then they will be stuck swapping parts…

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Geoff Diagnostician
Lahaina, Hawaii
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Hmmm, +13 to -13 is the new normal for fuel trim? I thought they were supposed to be getting better at this stuff. No wonder they brag about mileage worse than any 20 year old Honda as "gets BIG Em-Pee-Gees!"

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Scott Owner/Technician
Claremont, California
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Yeah, +-5% means that the math works IMHO! this numbers make me really wonder...

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Hollis Technician
Boulder, Colorado
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I'll admit that TSB is more entertaining to read than Subaru's. "Digital Drivers" I luv that one, never heard it before. I've got numerous names for those folk's but decorum prohibits me from typing them out. And the best part, "There is no fix available when the customer drives in this manner." I can think of a few fixes with a resultant blackening and blueing of said offender :O)

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Scott Owner/Technician
Claremont, California
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I recommend “crying out loud”... that swapotronics statement in the article blew me away and the way it’s worded, it seems suspicious. I’ll be looking that up in SI soon. What about instead doing a little math to see if the cyl/air or load computes? Btw, received your letter/gift and I so much appreciate your support and gratitude! I visited with your boss last week in Vegas and I can tell…

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James Technician
Plant City, Florida
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If you want to look it up in S.I. , search for PIP5534A. P2097 is a code signifying that the post catalyst fuel trim has exceeded the high limit. It's always set as history as an intermittent failure and is impossible to duplicate. No G.M. techs that I know follow that P.I. and swap parts to test. So many items can cause this code to set that it's more of a matter of guesswork than testing. It's…

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Hollis Technician
Boulder, Colorado
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Could a 'Two Footed' driver that is constantly on and off of the brake and accelerator possibly contribute to the P2097, IF the vacuum assist brake booster has an Atmospheric Pressure Compensation Valve / Port, that is constantly supplying unmetered air into the engine ?

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Jaime Diagnostician
Ocala, Florida
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Hollis, in the area in which I live are many drivers, uh, shall we say, are beyond the age that they shouldn't be (driving). With that said, I can attest to seeing driver's habits causing things engineers have never considered. Hell, I quit being a passenger back in the eighties! To hell with "let the customer drive it to show you the complaint". Jesus, I've been shot, I've been stabbed, I…

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Hollis Technician
Boulder, Colorado
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Typically I never let the customer drive, but sometimes you just have to grit and bear it... Finding a sensitive way to break the news that their driving "Style" might be contributing to the nature of the complaint I leave up to management :O) Driving at lunchtime today I was behind a Subaru and the brake lights were rhythmically flashing, the car was speeding up with the brakes applied and…

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Leo Technician
Rhinebeck, New York
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Then again, they may have just had their brake switch recall done by a tech who doesn’t know how to use a tape measure.

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Hollis Technician
Boulder, Colorado
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The new and improved BLS comes with a metric tape measure and a handy tool, can't see how it could be any easier :O)

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Hollis Technician
Boulder, Colorado
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Correction; A metric tape measure is highly recommended for the adjustment measurement procedure. That adjustment spec must be in the milli-teenths of cubits :O)

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Michael Diagnostician
Vineland, New Jersey
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I put the GS guy in and tell Him to watch their feet.

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Mike Technician
Atlanta, Georgia
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On a lot of GMs left footed brakers will set a code. If the PCM sees the brake applied for x amount of time but the vehicle not stopping, it sets a code for the brake light switch. Implausible I think is the word. I've busted a left footed braker with this before. Not that the wear on the left side of the pedal didn't help, of course.

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Hollis Technician
Boulder, Colorado
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Amazing what you can tell about driving habits from pedal pad wear :O)

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Anthony Technical Support Specialist
Kirkwood, Pennsylvania
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Hi James: All I can say is WOW! The swaptronics doesn't grip me too much. At times, it's the most cost effective way to do something. Taking parts from a "known good vehicle" though, that it a bit over the top. And the General still has a problem with techs swapping modules. Whoda thunk? Which car is punched in on when the parts are being removed & re-installed on the donor vehicle? For…

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Anthony Technical Support Specialist
Kirkwood, Pennsylvania
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Hi Scott: My pleasure. Guido

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Bob Owner/Technician
East Longmeadow, Massachusetts
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I love how they instruct you to fire the parts cannon at it, flow test the injectors, replace the injectors yada yada yada. If you actually did all that it would literally take you hours of labor and then AT THE END they say, oh if none of that works it could be the customers driving habits. Wouldn't it make more sense to rule that one out FIRST?

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Anthony Technical Support Specialist
Kirkwood, Pennsylvania
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Hi Bob: If you're looking for an argument, you're in the wrong place. :) Notice that I didn't say you're wrong. I still want to find out how if the tech is paid and does the broken vehicle cover the freight (time) for the swaptronics from the donor vehicle if the PI is followed. Guido

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Martin Instructor
Burnaby, British Columbia
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I dunno Guido. I've been reading GM bulletins for exactly 40 years and 6 days now, since they were still distributed in paper format in white, blue, green, yellow and pink colours through to the current day format. I have never in all my days read a bulletin so poorly worded. It reads like an April Fool's joke! It real, but how on earth it ever made it into circulation with those…

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Marlin Technician
Estacada, Oregon
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You don't think that it might have something to do with their "cost-cutting" moves, which ended the employment of many long-time employees, do you? ;-)

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Martin Instructor
Burnaby, British Columbia
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Hi Marlin. I honestly have never read a GM bulletin worded in that way. While I work in the system, I am a realist with almost 40 years directly related on the product lines of current focus. However, I only drink the Koolaid® when it has a sweet taste. For the most part, many long-time employees in the "Baby Boomer" generation have likely reached their natural end of the road and "best before…

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Marlin Technician
Estacada, Oregon
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BTW, I was referring to GM, not dealership, employees. Regardless, you mentioned some interesting points, most of which I had anticipated. While I believe that the time allowance for many procedures does not reasonably accommodate what the technician needs, I also realize that it is highly unfair to the manufacturer to pay an appropriate time when the technician cuts corners in ways which…

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Martin Instructor
Burnaby, British Columbia
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Hi Marlin. Sorry, I did misinterpret your thoughts slightly. Relative to the "long-time employees" remarks, I believe that some of the exodus of long term GM employees is in part of re-positioning of GM for preparation of the influx of autonomous vehicle transportation systems. The industry is changing and at some levels a different work force may be required to meet future needs. I think that…

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