Bricked a 2012 Escape Hybrid trying to add a PATS key, now have P1260 and cannot see PCM

Paul Owner/Technician Boulder, Colorado Posted   Latest   Edited  
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2012 Ford Escape Hybrid 2.5L (3) — 1FMCU5K38CKA85924
P1260
Security Theft / No Start
Cannot See Pcm

I was trying to add another twist key to customer Escape using Forscan , something went off the rails now even the original key won't start the car.

I borrowed a friends IDS, now the PCM isn't visible and when trying to reset PATS, IDS says "This procedure will take 10 minutes. Do you wish to Continue", I click Yes then instead of the progress indicator it immediately goes to "Turn the ignition to the off position"

The key that used to start the car scanned as chip type 4D63 with my VVDI.

What would you do next?

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Sam Mobile Technician
Flint, Michigan
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Perform pmi on pcm using ids. Leave key off until it says install new module. You will need tear tag. Here is a video I did youtu​.​be/zSl81ukSUpw

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Allan Owner
Sterling, Virginia
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Follow Mr Huts advice. It’s hard to actually kill a Ford module since you can do a “blank install” such as he demonstrates

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Matthew Mobile Technician
St. Cloud, Florida
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They keys are not stored in the PCM. So, the fact that it won’t talk means I would start with the basics... Power, Ground, communication lines. Wouldn’t be the first or last time I seen a relay or fuse blown while working on a car.

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Michael Owner/Technician
Irving, Texas
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If the PCM is not communicating, IDS would not have been able to read the VIN. Run a self test for trouble codes and a network test. Did IDS read the VIN?

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Chris Technical Support Specialist
Commack, New York
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IDS will pull vins from BCM's in newer vehicles. Not as good of a test as in earlier models. I agree with Matthew, but maybe a battery reset first.

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Michael Owner/Technician
Irving, Texas
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What do you mean from the BCM? I replace on average a hundred BCM's year on flood damage vehicles (usually late models) and the VIN still pulls from the PCM. The VIN has to verified prior to any programming in IDS and if a VIN is not in the PCM, IDS will let you know it is a blank PCM and proceed with programming it. Once the VIN is in the PCM, IDS will read it and allow programming of other…

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Chris Technical Support Specialist
Commack, New York
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I have had several vehicles with no PCM comms pull vins from the BCM. I have programmed replacement PCM's from the dealer without reading from the original module and the Vin is in the session in IDS/FJDS. Not all Fords are like this yet, but there are some that are, just be aware. 12 escape not sure 100% but this would be around the era that this was started. Agreed that that is not the total…

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Bill Owner/Technician
Jackson, Michigan
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try disconnecting the battery and shorting the cables together first. if no luck the Info from Sam Brooks is solid and should be tried.

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Paul Owner/Technician
Boulder, Colorado
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I was able to do a PMI on the PCM and now car sees PCM, thanks Sam. After clearing codes I'm left with P1260 and Canbus fault U2511. When I try the PATS reset it still immediately goes to "remove key" and does not perform the 10 minute wait. Now checking all fuses. BTW, to get the tear tag and as built data go to this website motorcraftservice​.​com/asbuilt Select country and…

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Tommy Technician
Kennesaw, Georgia
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I don't remember the exact details but i remember hearing in a training class about issues caused by locksmiths. They use an aftermarket key programmer and it bypasses the 10 minute wait time and then when someone goes to do a normal key programming event they will have issues trying to program keys.

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Sam Mobile Technician
Flint, Michigan
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If you use your scanner and go into security look for PID PATS type it should say timed. If it states anything else you have to perform PMI on the module that has the PATS system in it. It must be disconnected from the network, place back on network after it says install new module. More than likely it will require as built data either automatically or manually

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Sam Mobile Technician
Flint, Michigan
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If you use your scanner and go into security look for PID PATS type it should say timed. If it states anything else you have to perform PMI on the module that has the PATS system in it. It must be disconnected from the network, place back on network after it says install new module. More than likely it will require as built data either automatically or manually

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Paul Owner/Technician
Boulder, Colorado
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I did what Sam suggested, checked the PID for PATS TYPE and it = CODED. I then unhooked the instrument cluster (I'm pretty sure PATS module is inside the IC on this car). Connected cluster back up and tried a PMI on the IC, it went quick but appeared to do something then said to reset PATS next. After starting the PATS reset I get the same thing, it says it will take 10 minutes, but goes…

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Matthew Mobile Technician
St. Cloud, Florida
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Cluster got its access mode changed. Which I have never seen ForScan do. Normally that is reserved for locksmith tools. You can try to force it to program with asbuilt but I had limited success changing them back. note a used cluster will have wrong mileage

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Sam Mobile Technician
Flint, Michigan
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What are you using to program PATS? Do you have a IM508 or IM608? Try to program a key. It should change it from coded to timed when the key is programmed. Otherwise do you have a locksmith you have a relationship with? Maybe they can run the procedure and change it from coded to timed. Let me try to explain what happens. Many locksmith tools bypass the 10 minute security access by changing…

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Paul Owner/Technician
Boulder, Colorado
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I tried running PMI on the IC again after starting a new session (and deleting old session). Same symptoms. (PATS just says "turn key off" after skipping 10 min wait) I don't have IM508 or 608, I tried connecting to car with my Zedfull locksmith tool both 10 minute wait and bypass, both times Zedfull just sat in beachball mode. I think it's something with PATS type being CODED. Any way to break…

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Matthew Mobile Technician
St. Cloud, Florida
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Did you use anything before trying the Forscan? If the zedfull won’t bypass it then, the cluster is probably done.

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JJ Technician
Quincy, Massachusetts
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You could try doing As-Built with Forscan, but considering we don't know what caused this to begin with that's a tough call to make. Is there an As-Built option in the IDS menu, like Chris mentioned down below?

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Paul Owner/Technician
Boulder, Colorado
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No as-built option for the IC within IDS.

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JJ Technician
Quincy, Massachusetts
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I would get the As-Built data off of Ford's site and check it against what Forscan shows and then either correct it with Forscan while you're there or try to get IDS to let you input it with the PMI trick. Not sure what else you can do other than replacing the cluster, seems strange it would get corrupted to the point of needing replacement.

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Chris Technical Support Specialist
Commack, New York
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Was Zedfull tried before forscan? I was not aware that swapping of coded/timed access of aftermarket VSP level tooling was how they bypassed the timer. I have used FORScan and never heard of it switching until this case.

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Matthew Mobile Technician
St. Cloud, Florida
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Forscan shouldn’t have done this. I use it all the time and never had an issue with it, I only seen it on locksmith tools. This is really because they don’t want to wait 10 mins but with all shortcuts comes risk. This is why I asked what I asked above.

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Paul Owner/Technician
Boulder, Colorado
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The first day I was trying to program the key I did try my Zedfull after Forscan didn't complete the procedure. That must have been what killed the IC.

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Matthew Mobile Technician
St. Cloud, Florida
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The zedful bricked you’re cluster.

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JJ Technician
Quincy, Massachusetts
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If I'm reading this correctly, I think the order you did the PMI in was incorrect. I'm pretty sure you need to unplug the cluster, run the PMI until it gives up and tells you to install a new cluster, plug the cluster back in and continue on to do As-Built. It may automatically pull the As-Built data from Ford, or you may have to look it up and input it manually. PMI will "inhale" data from an…

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Chris Technical Support Specialist
Commack, New York
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And also make sure you start a new IDS/FJDS session after disconnecting module.

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JJ Technician
Quincy, Massachusetts
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That's a good point. Would you recommend clearing the previous session or would it be sufficient to just ID the vehicle again?

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Sam Mobile Technician
Flint, Michigan
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Clear the session.

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Chris Technical Support Specialist
Commack, New York
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2012 Might be new enough to have as built in the programming menu. If it does when it prompts were you sent here from PMI or other functions, Select NO. This will allow you to revert the vehicle to the vin specific configuration for the module. The function is not on all models, but when its there it seems to be accurate for configuration. Wont always correct a vin issue.

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Paul Owner/Technician
Boulder, Colorado
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So after trying all sorts of things with the original (bricked) cluster I got a replacement cluster from LKQ. Was able to PMI the replacement, then reset IC parameters, then reset PATS and add the keys normally. Car finally unbricked! I guess the moral of the story is to be careful using 10 min bypass locksmith tools on Fords. Now sending the replacement cluster to…

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