Programming using VMware

Matt Technician North Carolina Posted   Latest  

Do any of you guys or gals use VMware to separate your OEM software? As we know some OEM software does not play well together. Some use a multi-boot laptop, some just use multiple laptops. However, one of my computer guys asked why not use VMware? The fear I have is when using VMware there might be potential for programming conflicts. What are your opinions on using VMware? Have you used it?

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Timothy Owner/Technician
Wisconsin
Timothy
 

Sometimes the virtualization can cause issues. There was a post/thread here recently, where ISTA would not install because the disk was being manipulated virtually…

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Manuel Diagnostician
New Jersey
Manuel
 

If I recall correctly his failure was because of drive space either physicalnor allocated. Bmw wont allow installation of the system without iirc 260gb of free space VMware didn’t make a difference In this scenario.

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Scott Manager
California
Scott
 

That wasn’t the issue: diag​.​net/msg/mlajod6no3…

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Christopher Mobile Technician
British Columbia
Christopher
   

I spoke with Drewtech a few months ago to ask if there are certain OEM softwares that do not play well together, and if I should separate them throughout a few laptops, and the tech said no. I do remember a few years back there were compatibility issues and I did successfully use VMware to separate the installations. I’m now attempting to have them all on one laptop and so far so good. (GM…

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Jeffrey Mobile Technician
Illinois
Jeffrey
 

I have found that GM and Toyota do not work well with each other. I run separate laptops for most of my software. I have had all the software on one laptop, then the hard drive failed. Couldn’t do anything for a few days. Ask yourself if that one laptop were to break would it cause any issues? How much business would you lose? For me losing one laptop will hurt my business, I run 7 of them…

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Matt Technician
North Carolina
Matt
 

Total agree! I will still run several laptops. However the one laptop will be my powerhouse. Built for speed. Vmware launches instead of reboots for different partitions. I currently run 3 laptops that are a complete clone of each other running mutil-boot.

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Abass Analyst
Quebec
Abass
 

Some OEM software won’t work at all been trying Ford and didn’t work.

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John Owner
Mississippi
John
 

I also use all different laptops have one for each manufacturer i Use to Install as many as I could on one did seperate partitions and used vm ware I spent more time working on getting the somffeare to work that way cost me to much time u can buy refurbished laptops off e bay for 300 dollars put a manufacturer on each one and grab it and go I have a whole tool box with all laptops and interfaces…

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Matt Technician
North Carolina
Matt
 

Good to know. What VM player are you using?

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Wesley Manager
North Carolina
Wesley
 

Ford IDS, Honda HDS, and Mazda IDS (Obviously) can't be on the same install. Odis also seems to like it's own laptop period

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Bill Owner/Technician
Michigan
Bill
 

Christopher so you have those 4 OEM's in 1 PC with no special separation and you have no issues currently?? Interesting. There are exceptions and ones that will not play together - I just have too many computers at the shop….

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Christopher Mobile Technician
British Columbia
Christopher
 

No issues yet with the ones mentioned above. I just installed Honda today and finally I'm running into a road block. Honda iHDS just hangs after attempting to connect to the vehicle. None of the menus or content loads. Just the help and F12 setup tab. I'm just installing Honda on a separate laptop. I’ll report once I figure it out.

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Christopher Mobile Technician
British Columbia
Christopher
 

Wasted half a day trying to get Honda HDS to work on my laptop. It kept freezing on app launch. Figured out w the help of tech support that the problem happens when there are too many J2534 device drivers installed on a computer. The list limits to 11. I had around 15. The problem is that Autel lists all their VCIs which takes up a few slots. I had to uninstall Tis2Web and brought the list down…

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Bruce Owner/Technician
Texas
Bruce
 

I have run VM in the past, it was time consuming and clunky with having to bridge my interface modules and such. I have run multiple laptops, just like Jeffrey, I do not like losing hard drives due to elongated periods of hot weather in my geographic area. I do put as many software on each one that does not conflict with others for redundancy and have also switched to all SSDs as they are much…

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Matt Technician
North Carolina
Matt
 

Another good point! Thank you

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Wesley Manager
North Carolina
Wesley
 

Oracle virtual boxes. My guys are mobile (And locaish to you in charlotte actually, in case you ever have any OE stuff that you don't have and want to save sending to dealer) so carrying 4-5 laptops apiece is a no go. Ford, GM, Toyota, volvo, bmw on a base computer. Honda on a vm and mazda on a separate VM for compatibility reasons. Then a separate laptop for ODIS, Mercedes Xentry, Subaru due to…

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Matt Technician
North Carolina
Matt
 

That's another good idea, running the few problem kids in VM. My current setup is a multi-boot with ISTA on a 2nd SSD, which is selected on start up.

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Wesley Manager
North Carolina
Wesley
 

I hate the new ISTA and wish BMW would figure out updates as downloading 6-8 gigs every few weeks is exhausting especially for what they charge

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Matt Technician
North Carolina
Matt
 

I understand. I'm sure you guys are not touching a lot of BMWs. Every time you need to bam, a few hours of updating before using.

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Wesley Manager
North Carolina
Wesley
 

Eh, you’d be surprised. With servicing the Calibers we end up with quite a few but generally they don’t have new modules that need a program and static adas calibrations are still few and far between on them, most are dynamic and can be activated by a simple autel

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Bruce Owner/Technician
Texas
Bruce
 

You guys must have older vehicles in your area if you are not doing a lot of Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura, and Nissan/Infinity front radar sensors or windhsield calibrations. In Texas we get a whole bunch of static calibrations, including some at Caliber Collision Centers. For some reason your company does not want to take the ADAS Equipment mobile. I can do about 90% on a mobile basis. The ones…

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Wesley Manager
North Carolina
Wesley
 

You misunderstood I was saying not a lot of BMW that was static. We get plenty of the other stuff

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Bruce Owner/Technician
Texas
Bruce
   

Yes, I did misunderstand. Yes, BMW is mostly dynamic. I thought it odd that you were not seeing at least 2018 and later Toyota products.

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Bill Owner/Technician
Michigan
Bill
 

Wesley you are able to combine Ford, GM, and BMW with no issues on a PC? Just confirming if anything special needs to be done. I would like to reduce some PC's and that would be helpful to me.

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Bruce Owner/Technician
Texas
Bruce
 

Bill, I have always run BMW ISTA by itself as per BMW, as far as Ford IDS and GM, I can use both on the same OS if I use a Drew Tech version of J2534 tool for the GM and the OEM tool for Ford. I know of some using the VCM II for GM programming but I do not trust the VCM II to have all protocols for GM covered. If someone has figured out a way for MDI and VCM II to operate on the same OS…

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James Technician
California
James
 

VMware is very slow. I have tried it in the past for exactly what you are proposing. I have partitions that are clones, and I just reboot. The OEMs will allow partitions, but do not like VMware. One exception: Porsche PWIS III is run with VMWare if you have a subscription. I find it VERY,VERY slow.

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Michael Mobile Technician
Utah
Michael
 

Hi Matt, I use some OEM software with Virtual Box. Toyota and Nissan are the two that come to mind. With SSD drives affordable to 2TB, it is becoming better just to have separate drives and OSs. That way you do not need to worry about conflicts. If software squaks about a conflict with other software, you can go into disk management and hide the offending drive. I found that ODIS does not work…

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Paul Technical Support Specialist
Colorado
Paul
 

We tried VM, it worked but was painful to use. The Dell ruggedized laptops have a bay door that allows swapping out the hard drive, with no tools, takes about two seconds. No VM, no multi boots, no Boot-it bare metal.

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Michael Owner
Alabama
Michael
 

Keep in mind on hard drive swaps that those connectors (like some automotive connectors) are designed to withstand a finite number of disconnect/reconnect “cycles”. The same holds true for USB ports.

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Pam Owner/Technician
Florida
Pam
   

I still use several laptops, partitioned drives, at this time. With the ever-changing software landscape I want the “one-and-done.” To some, carrying a couple of laptops may be inconvenient. So is having a corrupted file. I’ve been in the OE side (and some OE don’t play well with others). I want to make sure my data is clean. Who knows, in six months, I may have a different approach according…

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Kyle Diagnostician
Maryland
Kyle
 

I used to use vmware when I worked for astech, it was slow. I run seperate partions for all my laptops now. The ones with ssd boot up really quick. I also have techstream, odis, gds2, and witech2 all on partion and have had no problems.

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Matt Technician
North Carolina
Matt
 

Thank you, everyone! I'm going to stick with boot it bare metal for now until something better comes along. With bootit bare metal. I have partitions with just the OS. All I have to do is clone and move on. I was just looking for another option.

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