Chrysler pin retrival? pcm replaced

Scott Technician Chico, California Posted   Latest  
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2006 Chrysler PT Cruiser 2.4L (B) 4-spd (40TE)
P0633 - Immobilizer Key Not Programmed - ECM/PCM

Hey yall, got a hopefully quick question. we just replaced the pcm in this chrysler with a reman from cardone as the dealer says back-order/discontinued. I installed it and set the vin and odo via autel maxisys without an issue. vehicle starts and runs now. did a final check and found the pcm has a set code P0633. looked it up and found i need to tell the skreem that it has a new pcm. i went into the wireless control system on the autel and selected the replaced pcm function, now its asking for a pin number. tried some googling, IATN and identifix and all somewhat pointed to asking a dealer for the pin code or some times software. my local dealer is a joke and will not give assistance in anyway. they just tell us to bring it to them for diagnosis. 

My question is. is there any way yall know to get the pin code from this vehicle so i can properly fix it without taking it to the dealer? i want to keep my customer happy.. I have an autel maxisys. snap on modis edge, snapon passthru pro 4. and gm and ford and VW. OE tools. havent been able to justify the expense of buying a micropod yet. Thanks in advance.

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Guangrong Owner/Technician
Markham, Ontario
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You don't need the micropod 2 for pin code, but the sad side is the pin code only can check on the dealerconnect website (dealer only), but you can try this website, oem mopar website moparkeycode​.​com hope this can help you.

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Todd Mobile Technician
Morinville, Alberta
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You would need security credentials for that site. And a tool that can reliably perform the function.

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Dave Mobile Technician
Ironton, Ohio
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If it runs without an MiL on the rebuilder probably defeated the Skin and the code will not clear. As long as the light s out it will do no harm other than there is no theft immobilizer now.

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Scott Technician
Chico, California
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- Rvice info directly from chrysler says it wont have any driveability concerns but the code will stay active.. My only concern is if this will effect emission testing for stored/active codes. I dont want my customer to get upset at us for *not doing it properly*

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Philip Educator
Hemet, California
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NO emissions consequences. That vehicle will NOT fail a smog inspection because of that code.

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Jason Owner/Technician
Ventura, California
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Our local dealer parts dept. Gives us the pin good luck

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Scott Technician
Chico, California
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i would try our parts dept. but they pretty much refuse to answer the phone. it goes to a parts voicemail 99.3% of the time. i cant understand why a parts depo has a voicemail during business hours. the dealer shop side is also a PITA to work with. sent a dodge over to get a used pcm reflashed as i diddnt have the PTP4 yet and they damn near demanded us to pay a Diagnosis fee saying they need to…

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Gerald Owner/Technician
Winfield, Missouri
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My local dealer used to. And then they went to only giving the pin when you bought the key or WCM from them, but now they said their hands are tied and they cant for it for me anymore. So I bought an IM508, but that still doesnt work as easy on the old ones

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Eddie Owner/Technician
Austin, Texas
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What is your vin number ? I will try to get it for you

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Scott Technician
Chico, California
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3A4FY58B26T268530 Thanks in advance!

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Eddie Owner/Technician
Austin, Texas
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lol

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Scott Technician
Chico, California
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Thanks i will try this and let you know!

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Todd Mobile Technician
Morinville, Alberta
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The DTC is invisible to the customer and causes no issues. Is there a reason that you need to do it? For CARB or BAR or some other entity?

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Geoff Diagnostician
Lahaina, Hawaii
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Todd, for the sake of the discussion, can you explain to me why the car starts, if it "knows" it hasn't had the PIN typed in? I thought if you didn't know the PIN, or have the locksmith tools, you flat-out couldn't do a PCM replace on Chrysler.

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Justin Mobile Technician
Herriman, Utah
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Geoff, it is possible to do without using the skim code on some Chrysler products. I won’t share the procedure here though. Just know it is possible. I’m not talking about eeprom or cloning either.

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Geoff Diagnostician
Lahaina, Hawaii
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Thanks Justin, I wasn't so much asking about the solution as I was the original condition. He said the vehicle started and ran BUT set a DTC for SKIM not set. I was always under the impression that without knowing a pin or having locksmith tools, it would NOT run. Kinda the whole purpose of the SKIM, right?

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Bob Owner/Technician
East Longmeadow, Massachusetts
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Is that the procedure posted by that smart Russian named Vladimir?

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Justin Mobile Technician
Herriman, Utah
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I don’t know the guy Bob.

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Bob Owner/Technician
East Longmeadow, Massachusetts
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Search "Vladimir Kalinovsky" and "Skim" or "vtss" on iatn. You will find some very useful information.

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Robert Mobile Technician
Grand Rapids, Michigan
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So let me get this right. You have out a skim code to someone you don't know and this is a violation of the SDRM and NASTF. It is people like you that we have to go through all this BS! We have to have solidarity here in our profession and be professional. I feel you were unprofessional at this point!

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Scott Technician
Chico, California
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In a different scenario i would agree. in this one its regarding a old car that most people dont want. i was not asking for the key cut code or how to hotwire it. not every manufacture requires a dealership only code to set the module. Ford and GM both have ways to reset the security with aftermarket options, chrysler has not given aftermarket an option. how would him giving a pin code vs…

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John Owner
Medford, New York
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Scott, It is not a dealership only code. If you were a registered VSP you would pay your money to FCA get SKIM code and fill out a D-1 form properly. It is a cost of doing business properly. There are aftermarket ways with Chrysler as well. There are plenty of aftermarket tools that will pull SKIM codes.

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Scott Technician
Chico, California
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This was my initial question how how to do this the correct way. nowhere with the resources i used could i find the proper way to go about getting it. i would go through the proper channels and pay what was needed. in this scenario Eddie offered to help with what i needed without going through those channels. but now after reading some of the comments on how to get them the proper way i dont…

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John Owner
Medford, New York
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Scott, Are you a VSP through NASTF?

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Scott Technician
Chico, California
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I have not yet signed up for it. but after this, and the fact we have had other issues in the past i am going to try and get the boss to let me sign up and become one. i have looked through the requirements and dont see an issue with it.

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Robert Mobile Technician
Grand Rapids, Michigan
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Scott, It does not matter whether it be new or old. The individual whom supplied the pin code here visual to us all and the VIN as well is totally wrong and unprofessional. I do not fault you as here offered you a sandwich when you were hungry. As stated there are several tools which extract and do immobilizer functions and I own several tools as I invest in such equipment. I also pay the OE…

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Scott Technician
Chico, California
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Im right there with you on the cost. i have also myself, not the shop invested a ton of cash in special equipment and services. i paid alot for my GM MDI and ford VCM2 and still pay alot just to use them. i also just shelled out abit for the PTP4. i want to learn and be the one that can do all of this. i know its not cheap, i did see alot of (tools) online that claim they can extract. but having…

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Todd Mobile Technician
Morinville, Alberta
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I agree. We must abide by the rules or they get more stringent.

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Chris Diagnostician
Lebanon, Ohio
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Understand your frustration Robert. Just know there are people lurking the forums keeping an eye on things. This is evidence that the red tape is not strict enough. Unfortunately, this punishes the good guys worse than the guy breaking the rules. I assure you that this issue did not go unnoticed...

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Geoff Diagnostician
Lahaina, Hawaii
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Kinda like how gun laws only stop law-abiding citizens. We have an awesome mobile locksmith out here, Chris.

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Chris Diagnostician
Lebanon, Ohio
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Thats a stupid move Ed. Don't ever give PIN numbers out. I hope the favor was worth it.

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Todd Mobile Technician
Morinville, Alberta
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Please let us know if you were able to successfully run the PCM replaced routine with the Autel. I have personally seen Autel brick SKIMS & WCM modules.

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Scott Technician
Chico, California
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Just the support i needed! lol, i will let you know what happens. thanks

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Todd Mobile Technician
Morinville, Alberta
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Only when trying to do SKIM or WCM replacements, so maybe it will be ok lol

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Todd Mobile Technician
Morinville, Alberta
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BTW, the 633 wont turn on the MIL or cause any problems. There is an old Chrysler TSB that explains, I see it all the time with tuned vehicles and PCM swaps done by shops that do not have DRBiii or Witech

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Scott Technician
Chico, California
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i feel like chrysler products always come with that. (program will brick) half the time thing. i understand the code wont trigger a light or anything. its like the nissan knock sensor faults. id just like the peace of mind i did the job correctly. in the event they go to another shop down the road and they scan. then tell the customer . Oh they diddnt do the job right they messed up blah blah. i…

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Todd Mobile Technician
Morinville, Alberta
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TSB 08-015-05 This is one TSB dealing with this. There was a response to a post on these here forums from Bruce Ailiff responding to Phil Fournier about this but I don't know how to link it. And sorry, I should read the whole thread before I start asking redundant, stupid questions.

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John Owner
Petal, Mississippi
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Even with micro pod u still don’t get pin#there are several aftermarket tools that are Fairley cheap that pull Chrysler pin # out there

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Todd Mobile Technician
Morinville, Alberta
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Or you can get an LSID and purchase PIN codes legit from Techauthority. I completely understand ones reluctance to buy them at $30 a pop.

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Scott Technician
Chico, California
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Eddie Thank you! tried the number you gave me and success. code has cleared and i have the peace of mind knowing its done correctly and i wont have to worry about another shop saying i did not repair it fully. i wish FCA would give us options for these older vehicles.

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Todd Mobile Technician
Morinville, Alberta
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So, the Autel did it?

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Eddie Owner/Technician
Austin, Texas
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I'm glad I was able to make it a happy Friday 👍 Cheers

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David Owner/Technician
St. Albert, Alberta
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Maybe Eddie would have done better to have sent you the PIN via private e-mail. However, the PIN is so often given out by dealers, can be pulled with special tools, so it really is not such a great security measure anyhow. Lots of us would be in trouble if we were clamped down on. AND, you can never 100% have security of anything. Pointing the finger of shame and blame often makes otherwise good…

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Dave Mobile Technician
Ironton, Ohio
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Rebuilders that defeat the immobilizer functions kind of make the pin number deal a moot point.

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Geoff Diagnostician
Lahaina, Hawaii
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We use our town's mobile locksmith. It's far more reasonable for us than buying tools with imaginary money. :-) He uses the "Auto Pro Pad" by Xtool. He can also make the keys, which is usually the issue here anyway. Far more key problems than PCM problems. We do maybe two PCM a year and four keys a year, best I can recall.

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Anthony Technical Support Specialist
Kirkwood, Pennsylvania
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Hi Scott: Your dealer may or may not be a joke. I have no way of knowing this. I do know that they have access to "x" number of SKIM codes per day. After that, shit to be them. If they do it enough times, they get to find out how the aftermarket has to do it. If they get caught giving out SKIM codes, they may face the threat of having their franchise revoked. Guido

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Scott Technician
Chico, California
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i understand completely. tho my local FCA dealer is a joke to every shop in town, the only thing they are good for is selling cars, the parts depo is unreachable 85% of the time, when they do answer they mark up the prices 25% over other dealers price and charge freight on everything. the service dept is also very aggravating. had a failed pcm flash on an 05 Dakota and bricked the pcm. towed it…

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