N55 Valvetronic Relearn

Brad Owner/Technician Illinois Posted   Latest  
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2011 BMW 535i 3.0L (N55B30A) 6-spd (S6-45BZ)
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came in with no start, multiple valvetronic codes, found stuck in minimum lift position. replaced valvetronic motor and tried to run adaptation. defaults to minimum lift position and will not run adaptation. engine will not start unless manually move eccentric shaft. using launch and autologic it will not let me adapt. sent dme off for repair and was told circuits were good not sure what I am missing thanks for your time

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Seth Educator
Minnesota
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Ista will relearn it. Unfortunately Autologic had a bug in it. The one work around is to reflash the DME then it will relearn. Did you also change the eccentric shaft and bearings as well? Not sure the DME rebuilder can check the circuits if you have a scope we have a test for valvetronic drivers

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Brad Owner/Technician
Illinois
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Did not change shaft or bearings. Will you feel it binding or is it that sensitive

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Seth Educator
Minnesota
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Its pretty sensitive but as I mentioned Autologic does not run the full relearn in my experience the workaround has been programming the DME. I generally use ISTA on BMW's When you run the test plan with ISTA it states to replace them we have also had bearing bind and cause issues. I am in process of filming a video on this for our website

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Seth Educator
Minnesota
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Here is fault code info gives insight to how sensitive this is

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Gerald Manager
Alabama
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Is it failing on adaptation run as binding? I have replaced several eccentric shafts from binding. Also check IVM which sends powers out to motor and most other electronics on engine. Have put several IVM's in also.

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Brad Owner/Technician
Illinois
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ivm powers good. Powers and grounds at dme are good

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John Owner
Mississippi
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May want to start at relay and check power and grounds there ran into a few faulty relays

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Stacey Technician
Ontario
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Eccentric shaft and bearings pretty well a given at time of motor replacement. Make sure proper lubricant is used on bearings any sort of drag will cause the adaptation to fail.

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Seth Educator
Minnesota
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This is a shaft with wear on it fail to replace will cause motor to often not relearn I have also attached a picture of a failed DME final driver for the three phase

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Jeff Manager
Missouri
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Never had a problem relearning with Autologic probably something binding.

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Seth Technical Support Specialist
Minnesota
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Depends on the state I have seen it about 30-40 times this year on tech support.

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Brandon Technician
Minnesota
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Hey buddy, that's my photo! :D Brad, the vehicle in Seth's photo received a new shaft, all 6 bearings, oil nozzle, and valvetronic motor. The shaft did not have any binding bearings, the only wear was on the worm gear and eccentric gear.

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Seth Technical Support Specialist
Minnesota
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Which photo I took the DME one :)

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Brandon Technician
Minnesota
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Not the DME one, we haven't had one that bad roll through yet.

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Seth Technical Support Specialist
Minnesota
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here is another LOL

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Steven Mechanic
Washington
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We have replaced the valvetronic motors and sometimes the DME needs to be replaced also. Autologic has always worked to relearn in our experience. I'm not sure I would trust the DME rebuilder unless they actually loaded those driver circuits the same way they would be loaded on the car. We haven't had to replace the shaft or bearings on any of the ones we have done. These are just the…

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Thomas Technician
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I was told the way the dealer diags these issues is by having a N20 head on a roll cart with the cam assembly and valvetronic motor still installed, plugging in the connectors for the motor and eccentric shaft sensors from the car with the fault into the n20 "Test" head and performing the relearn. if it relearns you know the DME is good. I doubt many people have an n20 head laying around.

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Seth Technical Support Specialist
Minnesota
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That is true!! I also have a test with a scope that'd proves in in less than 5 min. Spent 10 hours development on it. I teach it in most classes

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Thomas Technician
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Seth I had stumbled upon your website a few months ago.... very much liked what i saw from the training videos on your website. I'm on the watch for one of your classes. You mentioned you have a test using a scope... I'm sure you wont say on here haha ,BUT I recall from a BMW class that you can use a amp clamp and see very hashy 3 phase ramps on a scope but you can not see a voltage pattern on a…

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Seth Technical Support Specialist
Minnesota
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You can definitely see it on a scope,I'll try to work on a write-up not only can you see it but you can prove what's good and bad. I have alot of time and money into this but helps solve a major issue like this

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Nelson Manager
California
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Brad, There is a "circuit breaker" the DME uses which will block movement of the VVT. If this circuit breaker is on, the VVT relearn will fail with the Autologic. You have to program the DME, and do not cycle the ignition at the end of programming. Move along to the VVT relearn function and it will again tell you to cycle the ignition and let the DME main relay drop out. Ignore this and run the…

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Seth Technical Support Specialist
Minnesota
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Maybe not a question for here but when will that be fixed? ISTA resets without the risk of programing. No sure who keeps attacking all my posts.

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Paul Technical Support Specialist
Cyprus
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Hi Brad, As others mentioned, no issues running through this with Autologic. To my knowledge so far, everything has to be just right for this to be accepted. It will run mostly fine if there is a minor issue or something similar, while driven, and will have flexible tolerance limits. BUT, when it comes to relearn, the DME has very low tolerance limits. The DME during relearn is after the most…

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Rudy Technician
California
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Brad- Food for thought: Ive replaced 3 failed PCMs(other makes) that "rebuilders" claimed were perfectly fine and sent back to us. Fortunately my SAs take my word over that of a "rebuilder" and ordered new PCMs anyway.

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Brad Owner/Technician
Illinois
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Sorry for delay. Holidays are tough. In process of programming used dme. Let you know results

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Seth Technical Support Specialist
Minnesota
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Used DMEs will not work without extensive work

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Brad Owner/Technician
Illinois
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Thanks again for all your guidance. Finally this is repaired, I sent dme to be repaired and checked, they said it was good. it was not. I bought a used dme, it relearned valvetronic and made motor move full sweep but would not allow car to start, as expected. Sent dme to a programmer in Florida, he cleared theft and vin info, car started, everything learned, but would not allow trans operation…

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Chris Owner/Technician
Ohio
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So is there a way to verify if the DME has been damaged prior to replacing motor and shaft? We have done a few motors/shafts but not ran into an issues with the DME yet. Just want to make sure we are testing everything we can/should before we tear into one.

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Thomas Technician
Virginia
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See my above comment. or seths

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