2010 Jeep TIPM module replaced, did not self program per oem instruction (need help with programming or need to convert SKIM code)

Chris Owner/Technician Alabama Posted   Latest  
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2010 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 3.8L (1) 6-spd (NSG370) — 1J4BA5H14AL185356
U0100 — Lost Communication With ECM/PCM "A"
U0101 — Lost Communication with TCM
U1415
U0141 — Lost Communication With Body Control Module "A"
C2202
No Crank / No Start

Got a 2010 Jeep towed in, replaced TIPM, it was shorted, per the oem instructions, installed TIPM closed hood, turned ignition on for 12 seconds, turned ignition off, TIPM should have self learned but it did not, security will not let it crank, I thought about resetting the immobilizer , I pulled the base code of 002D but need it translated to immobilizer code. Can anyone help with my next step. New module was part# …AJ. Had motor replaced few months ago, not by me, quit running on customer going down road.

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Caleb Diagnostician
Indiana
Caleb
 

The TIPM is not the issue at this point i don't believe. The TIPM does not house any IMMO information that I am aware of. Need to diag the fact there is no comm with ECM, TCM, an BCM. That's why it won't start. Be aware the TCM may be housed in the same module as the ECM. Dont let that confuse you during diag if that's the case.

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Will Owner
New York
Will
 

I know you probably already did this but i would check all engine grounds, also what was the old TIPM #, i had one where i had to clear the abs codes to get it wo work.

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Chris Owner/Technician
Alabama
Chris
 

Well, on TechAuthority, I can put in the TIPM number to download a program file but since flash is disabled I am not able to download the file. File # …AJ

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Luis Owner/Technician
California
Luis
   

Hi, last calibration file for your TIPM, checking with your VIN number in Techtools is: …AI. Please tell me what tools you have, I can help you to transfer the info from your old tipm to the new tipm.

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Chris Owner/Technician
Alabama
Chris
 

Well, I saw a file for the TIPM that was …AJ available, but I could not install it. I started using an Autel MaxiSysElite with J2534 Pro, then switched to laptop with Snap on Pro 3 Jbox and tried to download and install the file with TechAuthority, I was told by support that only PCM and TCM module flashes could be done with TechAuthority and that I need WiTech to download the TIPM file…

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Chris Owner/Technician
Alabama
Chris
 

The …AI software is in the TIPM currently. I am posting some screen shots in the next update. I think the TIPM was reboxed and previously installed. Waiting for a replacement.

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Chris Owner/Technician
Alabama
Chris
 

I did clear the abs codes, I seem to have a “not configured” condition.

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Raymond Mobile Technician
Michigan
Raymond
 

The tipm is the gateway , so checking data lines at dlc won’t work cause they are diagnostics can C. So u have to check data lines out of tipm , let’s starts with power and grounds and data at Pcm

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Raymond Mobile Technician
Michigan
Raymond
 

Chris so do you have comms now after tipm replacement? I have programmed a Jeep skim module in past with the autel maxisys pro and elite as long as u can get four digit security pin from Chrysler dealer, but if u have no comms with the modules u mentioned then we r not going to be able to program or configure anything . From what I read u did install the tipm correctly . I also think with any…

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Chris Owner/Technician
Alabama
Chris
 

This is a mess that I inherited. Yes, I can communicate. I have not been able to get the skim code, I was able to pull the ecm code to translate it. I can communicate with most modules.

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Stephen Owner/Technician
British Columbia
Stephen
 

What modules are the comm codes found in? Can you communicate with the PCM with the scan tool? If not can you communicate with any modules on the CAN C Bus? If you have comm with some modules on the Bus but not others then check Comm wires between TIPM and those Modules. If they are good than check your powers and grnds at those modules or visa versa whichever you prefer. If no comm with any CAN…

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Chris Owner/Technician
Alabama
Chris
 

I am running back and forth, where the jeep is I have no cell service nor internet. I can communicate with all modules. I get a immobilization issue of not configured. The PCM shows the current Vin but also shows a prior vin which I have never seen on an vehicle. This has been worked on a lot and the customer is from out of town. Possibly the PCM has been replaced, I don't know. I can…

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Stephen Owner/Technician
British Columbia
Stephen
 

Ok i would chase down the starting circuit then if it were me to see in which system it breaks down. power from ignition switch is sent to TIPM and WCM. That should close the run/start relay in the TIPM and send power to the PCM IGN Run/strt control output. Once WCM confirms good key and key is in start position it sends word over the CAN C network to tell the PCM (or perhaps the TIPM first and…

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Bruce Owner/Technician
Texas
Bruce
 

As already stated, a replacing TIPM does not make the car not start unless it is a vehicle with the optional PEM (Passive Entry Module) and on a PEM system you just remove the “push start button” slug and insert your FOBIK key until “vehicle configuration” relearn is finished, the reinstall the push start button.

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Bruce Owner/Technician
Texas
Bruce
   

Also TIPMs do NOT self learn anything but the VIN if they are new (reman blank). Anytime you replace a TIPM the vehicle configuration relearn procedure has to be done! The new TIPMs have the basic modules already loaded but if the vehicle has an optional PEM as I already stated or even worse if it had a dealer installed tow hitch the trailer lighting connector for that hitch will not funtion…

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Bruce Owner/Technician
Texas
Bruce
 

Push down the yellow fuse holder for the 2 AIr Bag fuses in the TIPM and your communication issue with the Air Bag module will go away.

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Robby Technician
Alabama
Robby
 

Hi Chris, Can you look in the TIPM configuration and see if there is a different VIN already programmed? Maybe the new TIPM had already been installed previously and put back on the shelf. If that's the case, the self-learn mentioned in SI won't work because now it's basically a used TIPM. You'll need to perform the Restore Vehicle Configuration function and the ABS Initialization routine. That…

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Chris Owner/Technician
Alabama
Chris
 

When you say ABS initialization route, can you be more specific?

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Robby Technician
Alabama
Robby
 

I've ran into several cases where the ABS module had a configuration code after a used TIPM was installed and was still present after performing the Restore Vehicle Configuration function. The ABS Initialization routine corrected that issue in those cases. That function is in the ABS module “Misc Functions”.

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Jamie Owner
South Carolina
Jamie
 

Did it pull 002d for the skim code? If that is the skim code in the computer, that module wasn’t set up correctly. The pin code is 4 numbers. My guess is the pcm and the skim module don’t have the same vin number and/ or PIN number programmed.

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Chris Owner/Technician
Alabama
Chris
 

So here is the latest… got a WiTech subscription , the TIPM shows a “old” vin # that is completely different than actual VIN# and now I have no PCM communication , PCM did communicate prior, where did the “old” VIN come from? The TIPM was special ordered from local Jeep dealer and is came in sealed. I went and looked at the box it came in, there was an extra piece of clear tape over another…my…

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Robby Technician
Alabama
Robby
 

Even with a mis-configurated TIPM, it should still communicate with the PCM. The DTCs listed in your post title indicate there was a PCM communication fault prior - at least that's the way I read it. Sounds like that may be an intermittent problem. Also, your original post stated “TIPM should have self learned but it did not, security will not let it crank” . The TIPM wouldn't cause that…

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Robert Mobile Technician
Michigan
Robert
 

Chris, just to clear the air here and for your fyi. The keepers of the vehicle configuration are the TIPM and the CCN(cluster). So when you install a TIPM and turn the ignition On. The CCN sends the vehicle configuration to the TIPM and it is vice versa if you replace a cluster the TIPM will transfer the configuration over. The PCM and the WCM are the keepers of the VIN and SKIM. Hopefully this…

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Chris Owner/Technician
Alabama
Chris
 

Thanks for all your help. FYI,I got called into this after another Chrysler Tech at our shop did the diagnostics ( I do mostly GM) and replaced the TIPM module and then it was still a no crank. Again, the TIPM was new from dealer (supposedly new). So, this morning, I plan to clear the codes and see what remains. As, I understand the responses here, I should have PCM communication regardless of…

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Chris Owner/Technician
Alabama
Chris Update
 

So swapped the TIPM back to original, it shows old vin and current VIN as the same where the new TIPM had a different “old” vin # in it. I still cannot communicate at all with the PCM. It also would not let me initialize the abs, even after I cleared the abs codes. I went through the CAN 0100 diagnostics and have 11.00 volts in connector 9-16 (going from memory..) all the fuses had voltage for…

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Caleb Diagnostician
Indiana
Caleb
 

So at this point just need to diagnose the PCM no comm. Its a waste of time trying to do any kind of restore vehicle configuration etc until the PCM is back online. Anyway just go about it like you would any other no comm module. Should be a least one B+, at least 1 IGN input. Don't worry about the ASD relay power inputs as the ASD is not powered up until the engine cranks or is running. Should…

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Robby Technician
Alabama
Robby
 

Hi Chris, With the key on, do you have reference voltage to any of the PCM sensors that use it - MAP, TPS, CKP, etc? My next step would be to load test all of the powers & grounds at the PCM and testing the network circuits between the PCM and TIPM. All of this may simply be a failed PCM - which wouldn't be a surprise at all :) You will need the SKIM code if you replace the PCM.

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Robert Mobile Technician
Michigan
Robert
 

Chris, With Witech go into "All DTC". The once this is populated look to the upper right corner. You will see a icon for a PDF. Click on this. Then from the next screen click on the radio button for "Full Detail Report". Once it is generated at the top of the report it will tell you all the VIN's in the modules. It will tell you the CURRENT and ORIGINAL VIN and see what you come up with.

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Chris Owner/Technician
Alabama
Chris Update
   

Thanks everyone. I am off the car until Monday. The Can references checked out. I do have voltage. I will check the ALL DTC PDF, but the PCM will not give ANY data, including vin#. I will update as I get back on it.

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Kerry Mobile Technician
Ohio
Kerry
 

It takes BOTH the PCM and CCN to be communicating when the TIPM is installed....one OR the other NOT communicating will impede successful installation. All the restore vehicle configurations in the world will not help. from the shop manual.... CAUTION: The original Cabin Compartment Node (CCN) and Powertrain Control Module (PCM) must be installed and functioning properly prior to powering up…

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Chris Owner/Technician
Alabama
Chris
 

I just got the call back on the Jeep. New TIPM is in, before it is installed, should I be be able to communicate with the PCM prior to install and can you shed some light on the CCN?

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Chris Owner/Technician
Alabama
Chris
 

I am not getting a high speed can communication. What voltage should I be getting at pin 14? I can’t find the correct specifications. Thanks

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Chris Owner/Technician
Alabama
Chris Update
 

So I checked the circuit out to the PCM, it seems the PCM is bad (no high speed low CAN ). I have no connective. CCN is good, I can read VIN in ABS,OCM,CCN, the new TIPM still has no vin#. My plan is to but the old TIPM back in , order a PCM, program the PCM then install the new TIPM and let it configure itself like it should. I think the replacement TIPM that was received from dealer last week…

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Chris Owner/Technician
Alabama
Chris Resolution
 

So new ECM came in. Had to buy another subscription to Witech, techAuthority, and a $35 token. Put the original TIPM back in, installed PCM programmed PCM, put in second new TIPM, long story short it ran, cleared codes, initialized ABS etc. no codes. What happened….Bad TIPM, new TIPM from dealer was a returned TIPM boxed as new from a dealer transfer, new bad TIPM shorted PCM. So , a lot of…

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