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Miguel Technician Tennessee Posted   Latest   Edited  
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2014 Ford E-350 Super Duty XL 5.4L (L CNG) 4-spd (4R75E) — 1FBSS3BL5EDA50764
P060A — Internal Control Module Monitoring Processor Performance
U0300 — Internal Control Module Software Incompatibility
P1602
No Crank / No Start

I hope someone can help me.

Vehicle will no crank I programed a used computer same thing I get this codes with both computers

U0300:00-27, P060A:00-D0, P1602:00-2B

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Tomi Diagnostician
Illinois
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What did you program it with? Also did you relearn the theft system?

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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I use a VCM II and this one is a Non- PATS vehicle.

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Tomi Diagnostician
Illinois
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I think I ran into this once. Did the pcm have the right part numbers??

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Allan Owner
Virginia
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Check power and ground to pcm. Blown or partially blown fuse IMO

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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Powers and grounds checked good.

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Kelly Diagnostician
Washington
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Two Keys present perform perimeter reset

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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This is a Non-PATS vehicle.

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Ronald Mechanic
Alabama
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Does not matter if has pats,you still have to perform parameter reset so the pcm knows it is not a pats system. I tried with autel and would not work. I performed 10 min security access and performed reset with ids and worked fine.

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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Yes I did a parameter reset with an IDS

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Richard Technician
New York
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With those codes it appears it is not communicating properly. If the fuses are good, I would pull out a wire diagram and test at the PCM to make sure it is getting power and ground. If that is good, it may have some other reason it cannot communicate. Like bad CAN wires. Can you communicate with the instrument panel, if not that may be your issue, I have seen wires rubbed through by the radiator…

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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CAN system checked good with oscilloscope and I can communicate with all the modules no problem

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Mike Technician
Kansas
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Did you check to power with a volt meter and maybe a headlight as a load on the system to see if getting enough amps . Like others said power and ground then can you talk to any part of truck get wire print out maybe a pin out ID too. Then steep back get something to eat or drink , can u by pass the key switch and cranks over maybe a bad key switch

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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Yes I checked powers and grounds with a headlight bulb all good

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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And I did bypass the ignition switch just to get it to crank but will not start

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Robert Mobile Technician
Michigan
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Are you sure you have the correct PCM for this vehicle? Is the hardware the same? Also, a lot of CNG vehicle can have special software provisions. Were these codes present before as well? Did you do a parameter reset?

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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No, those codes weren't there before it was just a no start and it is the right PCM I checked with my local Ford dealer I even went back and reprogrammed de PCM with a as built data and same thing

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Robert Mobile Technician
Michigan
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Miguel, Did you perform the parameter reset? You still have to do the action and then when granted access you just do a parameter reset.

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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Yes I did a parameter reset and nothing changed I can't even clear the codes

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Glen Owner/Technician
Illinois
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Vin comes up as a Flex Fuel. And Salvaged tilte...Wow that thing has had a rough life Please post PCM part #

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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Here

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Glen Owner/Technician
Illinois
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Catalog as per Vin is also LBK3..not sure about the hardware. Any other codes in other modules?

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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No, no other codes

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Glen Owner/Technician
Illinois
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Couple things come to mind. Use the IDS and monitor any pid that has a fault status for a Fault. If that reveals nothing start unhooking any sensors/component that have a 12-volt buffered supply. Check the status of any alarm or perimeter pids that you can find. Run the network test. Verify the correct as built data in all available modules.

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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Thanks I will try that

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Marty Owner/Technician
Texas
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I've seen a relay hang open causing a no crank/ no start on Fords. Don't remember if it had codes.

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Geoff Diagnostician
Hawaii
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After reading all the replies I am wondering if there is some OTHER module in there that the whole system does not like. And therefore maybe the parameter reset is not being successful. The salvage title is what bothers me. It will take some time but verifying part numbers on other modules might lead you to something being just plain wrong for that VIN. If you can tell where/how it was crashed…

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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The vehicle was hit on the left front and the airbag module was the only module got replaced and I already checked part numbers and it's the right module

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Geoff Diagnostician
Hawaii
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I wonder if the air-bag module is telling the ECM the car has crashed and not to start. Can you try programming it again?

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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I already programmed the ECM like three times. The airbag module don't have any codes, I'm going to try another ECM and see what happens

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Geoff Diagnostician
Hawaii
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I meant the air bag ECU. Maybe it was configured wrong and is not sending the fuel enable signal. Remember how Ford always had the "inertia switch" in the kick panels? I think it is internal logic in the airbag ECU now. I'm not with SI at home though, just another thing to consider. Not sure which models/years switched over.

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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I see what you are saying but, and correct me if I'm wrong the airbag module disable the fuel pump when it records a crash but on this vehicle you can hear the fuel pump when you turn the key on

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Geoff Diagnostician
Hawaii
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OK, sorry, out of ideas.

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Glen Owner/Technician
Illinois
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Now might be a time for a little background story... Where,what when...

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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The vehicle was wrecked on the left front and after the body shop repaired the body damaged the vehicle would not start

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Chris Technical Support Specialist
New York
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CNG vehicles require an aftermarket calibration to operate. If the PCM was programmed with stock calibration you need to reach out to the CNG conversion company to get the correct PCM file installed in the module. P1602 is related to PCM IPC communication and pairing. Parameter reset should be performed. Have you tested the IPC for codes? IPC is in charge of pats whether or not it requires…

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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This is not a CNG vehicle and the IPC communicates fine with no codes

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Glen Owner/Technician
Illinois
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Miguel, Is there a way to edit the posted vehicle (L CNG)

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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I posted the VIN it is not a CNG vehicle

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Geoff Diagnostician
Hawaii
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I think the incorrect VIN breakdown needs to be fixed by DN, it's leading people astray. Maybe email Scott or Tom.

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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I see what you are saying I don't know why it comes up as a CNG vehicle

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Glen Owner/Technician
Illinois
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Engine Vin character does not determine fuel type on this vehicle, when using a non OE Vin decoder one most pick correct option. In this case DN lists 6. Pretend to start a new post with his Vin for a visual.

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Geoff Diagnostician
Hawaii
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Interesting. Thanks. I had put it in another decoder earlier, and it came up as "gas".

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Mike Instructor
California
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I guessed I overlooked something in all the posts. I don't see the VIN. Please re-post.

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Ronald Mechanic
Alabama
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VIN

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Mike Instructor
California
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Egg on my face. Thanks!

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Chris Technical Support Specialist
New York
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With the P060A and the U0300 present in the PCM as well as the P1602 I would focus on part application or programming. Follow the steps in the previous post below and try to Overwrite the PCM with forced Vin data. I haven't seen it on this vehicle, but its a shot in the dark. diag​.​net/msg/m6z2mmuzj7…

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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Hi Chris, thanks I will try that

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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Hi Chris, I did try your suggestions but it didn't work I'm still getting the exact same codes as before and no crank Thank you and thanks every body for el the help Im going to try another PCM and go from there

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Jj Technician
Massachusetts
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Did you reset parameters in the IPC as well? I saw you say you performed parameter reset, just looking to specify whether you did it in both the ECM and IPC, or just the ECM. I can't remember if doing a parameter reset on the ECM will reset the IPC as well, I don't think it does but it's been a while since I last used IDS.

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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No, I just did it in the PCM

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Jj Technician
Massachusetts
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Per service info: "NOTE: Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS) vehicles and non- PATS (Passive Anti-Theft System) vehicles have parameters in the Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) and the PCM and they must be reset whenever either module is replaced." Worth a shot I think.

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Miguel Technician
Tennessee
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I will try that, I'm willing to try anything at this point. Thanks

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