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Joel Diagnostician Soquel, California Posted   Latest   Edited  
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2009 Toyota Corolla 1.8L (L 2ZR-FE) 4-spd (U341E)
Extended Crank/Start

This vehicle came from other shop, customer concern was rough idle on hot restarts only.

The previous shop performed a pcm calbibration related to this issue based on TSB 0182_09.

They replaced the maf sensor, the spark plugs and cleaned throttle body, their diagnostic was engine damage because low compression.

When I got this car at the end of the day was crank no-start and sound no compression wash down. I try many times cranking nothing. Next day in the morning I try first crank and start cold conditions, and run good for I while and rough idle when warm, I checked data, ECT was reporting correctly during no start conditions.

I turned off the engine and waited about 5 minutes, no start and wash down, I started checking igt, ifg and injection pulse 

Cam and crank and in cylinder pressure transducer seem on time to me but it looses compression wash down, when runnning good I check at 1500 rpm misfire data and show non-misfire engine is stable, I disconnected a coil and the pcm identified it correctly.

I disconnected all 4 injector to clear flood, start I propane during idle installed injectors and running good about idle smoth jus idle surges if it stalled it self becomes crank no start.

I can not find what is causing the wash down.

I have not tested fuel pressure or fuel quality because of the rough Idle I thought was going to be tech phasers but seem is not the case 

I remove the 4 spark plugs all of them were wet . 

when the engine was running I did induction service with seafoam

Any help will be appreciated.

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Brin Diagnostician
Melbourne, Florida
Brin
 

Did you record scan data when the engine was running? If so, I would like to see that.

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Joel Diagnostician
Soquel, California
Joel
   

I can I made a video file . during running I will make it run again I will post it . I added videos they are still processing

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James Diagnostician
Bishop, Georgia
James
 

Smoke it

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Joel Diagnostician
Soquel, California
Joel
 

what do you mean smoke it . fuel trims s are removing fuel accros the board idle , 1500 rpm 3000 rpm. and becomes crank no start after turning off engine and waiting couplle minutes or it stalled does not restart un less I disconnec all 4 injector and star it on prapane or braje cleaner

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James Diagnostician
Bishop, Georgia
James
 

Yeah. I tried to delete the comment. It apparently came back

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Richard Owner/Technician
Buffalo, New York
Richard
 

put a pressure gage on it, see if purssure drops, also do injector balance test if one drops more than the other change all four injectors,

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Joel Diagnostician
Soquel, California
Joel
 

sure I will do that test

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Brin Diagnostician
Melbourne, Florida
Brin
 

I would be paying close attention to the things that the ECM uses for base pulse width like, tps,maf,map (if present), iat, ect etc. You were in open loop during your video so the ECM isn't using the feedback sensors for fuel control (fuel trims won't tell you the story). I aggree with those that advise to change the oil and filter. Excessive fuel vapors could be entering the intake through the

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Joel Diagnostician
Soquel, California
Joel
 

I appreciate your input and every body else , I am accumulating info now ,it is side job for me I will get back to the vehicle on Saturday I will post the findings .

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Joel Diagnostician
Soquel, California
Joel
 

there is a capture is in close loop

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Joel Diagnostician
Soquel, California
Joel
 

youtu​.​be/OZjTYg96URg I made a video

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Nicholas Diagnostician
Brooklyn, New York
Nicholas
 

Just a thought, have you checked the purge valve. Possible problem with evap system allowing raw fuel in to the intake. Doesn't turn on when cold starts opening when warmed up.

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Ray Diagnostician
North York, Ontario
Ray
 

Do an oil change, ck fuel pressure, ck fuel quality.

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Joel Diagnostician
Soquel, California
Joel
 

thanks I am collecting info fir the next step. any Ideas what type of testing for fuel quality can I do besides burning some on the cement ?

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Ray Diagnostician
North York, Ontario
Ray
 

Start 2 fires at the same, one with known good fuel and the other puddle from the Toyota.

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Joel Diagnostician
Soquel, California
Joel
 

I will check it thank you.

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Bentley Manager
San Diego, California
Bentley
 

How saturated is the oil with gasoline? Does the surging disappear when you run it on propane?

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Ray Diagnostician
North York, Ontario
Ray
 

This wave form is from a 2011 Corolla 1.8 and the cmp, ckp sync is the same as your 7th capture

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Joel Diagnostician
Soquel, California
Joel
 

though because the engine has residues

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Ray Diagnostician
North York, Ontario
Ray
 

After burning some fuel from the Toyota, look for an oily residue on the cement. Put a fuel sample from the Toyota into a clear container and let it sit for a few hours, look for separation Put a known good fuel sample into a clear container next to the Toyota's fuel sample to compare the fuel colours. The engine is running too rich but the FTs don't show it. Feed some propane into the

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Joel Diagnostician
Soquel, California
Joel
 

thanks for the advice

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Adrean Diagnostician
Bakersfield, California
Adrean
 

Check fuel pressure, leaking injector, pulse width .. If pulse width is over like 5ms I would look at inputs

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Joel Diagnostician
Soquel, California
Joel
 

it is a side job, I will get back on it tomorrow. pulse width is controversial because there are diferent modes, hot cranking , cold cranking , idle and so on. they told me that already my pulse width is too much on my car , during cranking I got 18 ms , and when I keep cranking is about 8, is that good or not , I have never focus o that before unless is open ect I have seen about 40 ms , how

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Joel Diagnostician
Soquel, California
Joel
 

I did not posted the clip on part 1 for relative compression but this one was my first test I did after checking scan data and saw 400 rpm during cranking and no start conditions . The only reason I did not performed leak down test or standard compression test with gauge was because I saw even relative compression. I did not know if the compression was low because of cylinder wash down was

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Joel Diagnostician
Soquel, California
Joel
 

youtu​.​be/CKYkDVUnEqc there is the video part 2 conclusion

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Ray Diagnostician
North York, Ontario
Ray
 

In your video, during the test drive, the CEL is not flashing, indicating that the cylinders are not misfiring badly. Are there any misfire codes? Does the car have good acceleration? In the Generic scan data, What is the Calculated Load at WOT? Do both 02s show rich at WOT, during a test drive? In the video, the engine "sounds" good to me. What is the engine vacuum at idle and at 2500

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Joel Diagnostician
Soquel, California
Joel
 

only misfire at idle compression is even 100 psi hot restarts is when it act up , there are mismire codes at idle only , vaccum 2500 rpm steady 15 ih hg, idle fluctautaes ubder load good acceleration as good vehicle Did not move I wa at tdc , even if it moves how is possible to leak to companion cylinder?? why they have 100 psi , that is not good at all the comprecion will not generate

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