After PCM Replaced

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2017 Ford F-150 Lariat 5.0L (F) 6-spd (6R80) — 1FTEX1EF0HKC89465
P0315 — Crankshaft Position System Variation Not Learned
Cel

Hello DN techs, I have had a couple of ford PCM on Ford’s, that after finishing with the programming, sets the CEL with a code P0315, and I have not been able to resolve this issue, I have try to reload the PCM by As build, and not been able to correct it.

Has anyone else have run in to this , and what have you done to fixed.

Thanks in advance. Happy New Year!!

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Richard Instructor
Florida
Richard
 

this may be way too simple but I have to ask. Are you doing the profile relearn after pcm replacement?

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Kevin Mechanic
South Carolina
Kevin
 

This right here

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Oscar Diagnostician
Virginia
Oscar
 

Richar. I normally start sucking the info from the one in the car, then transferring in to the new PCM. At the end it says calibration check and complete. Something like that. then I performed parameter reset for the PCM in order to start vehicle. There was one weird thing that when I try to do the parameter reset, it would not login to Nastf. back out all the way, then start a new section…

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Michael Mobile Technician
Utah
Michael
   

Oscar, Are the replacement PCM's new or second hand. Second hand needs to be addressed with cloning. Newer Fords do not like used parts. Another to consider is the TCM strategy. It would need to be addressed as well.

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Oscar Diagnostician
Virginia
Oscar
 

Yes, this is a New PCM from the dealer. This is the third time that is happening to me, and I have tried many different things to resolve the code, but no success. re-flash by PMI Done it by asbuild, and nothing

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Justin Mobile Technician
Utah
Justin
 

Mike Christopherson would help you if you contact him. he commented here on your post.

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Raul Mobile Technician
Arizona
Raul
 

All you have to do is complete the Misfire Monitor Neutral Profile Correction Procedure using a compatible scan tool :) Check your system test or function test section of scan tool :))

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Oscar Diagnostician
Virginia
Oscar
 

Raul, I’m using the Ford IDS with the VCI-2 OEM. I have never done this after a programming a new module. But I will definitely try to do this, and let you know if works

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Raul Mobile Technician
Arizona
Raul
 

If you're using IDS software it should be similar to FJDS ( I only use FJDS lol ) it should be under the red tool box tab : under powertrain : Service functions : Misfire Monitor Neutral Correction : )

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Gilles Technician
Quebec
Gilles
 

complete the misfire monitor neutral profile correction procedure using scan tools for code P0315

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Caleb Diagnostician
Indiana
Caleb
 

What does service information say for this fault? Have you checked?

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Oscar Diagnostician
Virginia
Oscar
 

From alldata it says that The PCM has not learned the crankshaft pulse wheel tooth spacing. This DTC disables the misfire monitor.

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Aaron Owner/Technician
Texas
Aaron
 

On newer Fords especially gas trucks will require a crank relearn sometimes after replacing the PCM. I have no idea what scan tool your using but on the IDS its a function under powertrain. This is equivalent to a crank relearn on a GM vehicle. If the only code you have is the P0315 perform the crank variation relearn. The engine will have to be at normal operating temperature before the…

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Oscar Diagnostician
Virginia
Oscar
 

I’m using IDS, and yes I’m very familiar with GM, every time that I do a PCM, the Crankshaft sensor must be replaced, never had to do this on a Ford. Would you tell me where on the IDS you can do the function. I have navigated in all the functions services, and I have not found anything for Crank sensor learning

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Arath Diagnostician
Texas
Arath
 

Not true about gm needing new sensor every time pcm is swapped all you need is to relearn I’ve done the relearn on both Gm and ford after pcm swap and or Internal work done like timing kit

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Ricardo Diagnostician
Michigan
Ricardo
 

Toolbox-powertrain- service functions- misfire profile correction

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Raul Mobile Technician
Arizona
Raul
 

Mr. SMith is correct , thank you for explaining it with more details lol Happy New years

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Arath Diagnostician
Texas
Arath
 

You need to do the crank cam relearn Gm vehicles need it after pcm replacement too, never done the relearn through IDS only programming but I do the relearns with my snap on solus ultra or versus edge very easy

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Aaron Owner/Technician
Texas
Aaron
 

First I know it references autologic but it uses the same IDS screens and references the IDS. Follow this link which goes through the procedure step by step. Its the best I can give you right now. Hope this helps. us​.​autologic​.​com/news/ford-misf…

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Joe Owner
Ohio
Joe
 

Oscar As stated do the MMNPC. Are you performing this function after PCM replacement And programming? It’s a separate function that needs to be performed with a PCM replacement. Can be done with IDS or an aftermarket tool. It’s not part of a PMI or As Built Data programming. Hope that helps you Joe

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Oscar Diagnostician
Virginia
Oscar
 

Thank you so much. I will follow those instructions.

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Oscar Diagnostician
Virginia
Oscar Update
 

Thanks to all the fellow techs On this DN for the help that was provided. Was supper simple process to do the misfire profile correction, and after that the CEL clear out. By the way I was able to do it wi the Snapon scanner.

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Randall Owner/Technician
Michigan
Randall
 

And this is the incredible power of this forum. Imagine the number of techs (like mine) that may now be able now be able to just blow thru this process without a hitch. If we stop for the briefest second and imagine the “clock time” saved across the industry using the knowledge from on this one thread alone. What seems so obvious to some can be a huge time waster for others. I can so see…

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