Tesla no R2R?
SO my father and me have discussed Tesla vehicles lately. He thinks they are all that and all vehicles should be just like Tesla and how they run their company. So I did my own research and one of the things I found was that Tesla doesn't sell service information, tools/equipment or parts to customers. So I can only assume they don't have J2534 or diagnostic software for third party shops either. My question how can that be if we have a R2R? If i'm wrong could someone correct me please.
You are correct, they don't have J2534 or diagnostic software for aftermarket shops and are not R2R compliant...because they don't have to be.
I'm sure someone has better info than me but I think since obd requirements are for emissions testing and since its electric, there are no emissions, hence no standardized DLC "rules". Kind of a loophole...
As Martin pointed out - Tesla has no emissions and doesn't fall under the OBD II standards or R2R.
This has been discussed exhaustively, and involves a very complex set of issues. Here are a couple of points for you to ponder. Tesla has no dealers; any requirement that the company supplies support to the aftermarket relative to the support which is provided to the dealers, is consequently of no effect. There are no emission-related government regulations, such as requiring an OBD connector…
I get the OBD and J2534. I just thought that all vehicles in the united states had to allow the purchase of equipment/tools and service information.
Telsa does not have to comply with R2R except in Massachuchets. You can purchase service information in that state only. That is one of the reason the Rogue Mechanic is so popular on you tube. @martinwalters is correct as well No emissions means no DLC OBD II requirements
If I understand correctly, Tesla is not regulated as an automobile manufacturer; that's why they're able to own their sales and service network.
Very frustrating in Canada as well. I have one client with an S and having a heck of a time trying to find control arms for it, Tesla won't return our requests via phone or email.
Yes, this is a giant problem. As a Tesla owner and ETI Board Member I‘m happy to provide standing to go after them on this issue. They certainly meet the volume requirements.
I'm with you. These vehicles are coming weather we want them are not. As far I'm concerned from a tech stand point I have the right to fix them If I so chose. As a consumer I should have the right to chose who fixes my vehicle.
People tend to forget that the ONLY reason the indies have access to scan data, scan tools,TSB's, etc is because of the Clean Air Act of 1970 (thank Nixon and a Dem Congress), as amended in 1977 and 1990, and as (the much maligned) EPA rule making interpreted the ACT, ie. clean air took precedence over the OEM's intellectual property assertions. (Some may remember that GM had sued Alltest for
Theoretical question here, what if the number of electric cars gets to the level of current gasoline powered cars, What if the efficiency of the batteries in those cars reduced by half. What is the net affect on the power grid as far as emissions are concerned? If that is measurable in your eyes, doesn't that then bring the electric car into the CAAA provisions?
By the time personal vehicles reach that level of concentration, what will be the efficiency of vehicle batteries and what will be the source of power for the grid?
Hi Randy: Are you referring to the what the charts on pages 89-92 allude to and the "Conclusion" which follows them? kuscholarworks.ku.edu/bitstream/hand… TIA, Guido
Sure, that works. The question I posed was not mine but was asked in a behind the scenes conversation by someone else. As you know, I feel there are two components to this discussion, emissions and vehicle ownership. Electric cars still create emissions, it’s a myth to say they don’t, so does that mean they are still part of the information requirement? That’s the discussion being had. I’ll
I recall a discussion of (pure) electric cars at a trade show many years back that included engineers from German OEMs. The conclusion was that they do create emissions, but those emissions are regulated as a power utility, not as automotive emissions. We in the auto industry are completely out of that loop but must be prepared to respond to changing regulations and business models. It was also
Hi Jim: Ah, the Brainmaster - my first scan tool. Guido
Hi Phillip: Tesla uses OTA programming, as many truck manufacturers are now doing though I don't know why you would make any assumptions. service.teslamotors.com Guido
Wow $100 for 24 hour access. Intersting it includes wiring diagrams. I registered. I guess I am ready to give them money when I see a Testla. Notice I said when not if.
That's handy! I just bought the 1 hour sub to check it out and DL'd the suspension specs and control arm procedures for my guys. Now to find the parts....
Hi, there are some people figuring out how they work and leaning how to get data out of them from the CAN connector under the center screen. They have a OBD2 connector, but you can't really get any information out of it. Check out this Website very interesting. This site has a interface that allows you to connect and get data about the battery from you laptop. evtv.me