Programming late model Nissans with salvage modules

Timothy Owner/Technician Wisconsin Posted   Latest  
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2020 Nissan Rogue S 2.5L (QR25DE) (RE0F10D)

The shop called me, and I have no access to the VIN as of yet.

Shop wants to know if a salvage PCM can be programmed to another vehicle. I know that there are several OEMs where trying to program a salvage unit is not doable…

Anyone know whether the ECM can be re-used, and programmed with either R2R, or NERS, on a 2020 Nissan?

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Nick Diagnostician
Missouri
Nick
 

Starting in 2013ish they became 1 time VIN write. You can try to edit the VIN with eeprom and can manipulate the CVS file to make it accept the correct flash.

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Robert Owner/Technician
Illinois
Robert
 

If original ecu is still present you can swap mcu‘s .If not then brand new ecu and consult is your only option.

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Timothy Owner/Technician
Wisconsin
Timothy
 

Not too sure what the acronym “MCU” represents?

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Nick Diagnostician
Missouri
Nick
 

Microcontroller. With out board level soldering experience it's not something easily done. VIN may also be stored in a Eeprom chip somewhere as well. Not sure is i/o terminal or similar tools can clone these

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Timothy Owner/Technician
Wisconsin
Timothy
 

OK, I had assumed that's what you were talking about. Many Asian vehicles have a separate MCU for other functions…thanks for the clarification.

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Kerry Mobile Technician
Ohio
Kerry
 

Timothy, FWIW earlier this month we had a 2019 Nissan Titan that we were successful in programming used ECM. A local tuner had bricked the original pcm after a supercharger installation. We used autel tablet to perform the immo and vin tasks. We could have also updated calibrations but tuner didn't care. I have heard that Nissan has joined Chrysler in requiring AutoAuth for SDG access, roughly…

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Timothy Owner/Technician
Wisconsin
Timothy
 

Have my VSP creds, and AutoAuth, so that's not an issue. Just wondering whether it can be done with R2R, or NERS.

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Kerry Mobile Technician
Ohio
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I'm not connecting the dots when you say R2R….right to repair? The Massachusetts law? I see, Nissan 2534 for 2018+ is called C3+ R2R. Got it!

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Jeff Owner/Technician
Arizona
Jeff
 

I know that a 2019 Rogue can be swapped (using the Autel “ECU Changed” routine which writes the VIN and learns the keys), so I imagine the 2020 is a possibility.

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Michael Technician
Indiana
Michael
 

Which autel Jeff? 508-608 or do you know if the ultra does it. There is a link to a page that will tell you if a certain tool will perform a certain function, but it is hard to understand. Many times I leave the page just as ignorant as I was when I got there(I hate that). I sure do hate telling a customer “I won't know if I can do the repair, until I connect to the car and see”. Here is the…

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Timothy Owner/Technician
Wisconsin
Timothy
 

2006 Durango only needs the VIN written, and the ABS initialized after that. Easy-peasy. The Autel should do it without issue.

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Michael Technician
Indiana
Michael
 

FIrst thing to say, this thing ran fine with no running or starting issues. I was replacing it because one of the drivers for the oil pressure solenoids, had burned out. That's what I thought. I wrote the vin and it worked. I could see the new vin in the ecm, It also had a line that said “ORIGINAL VIN”. It would then start and run for about 3 seconds and stall, like it lost injector pulse…

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Kerry Mobile Technician
Ohio
Kerry
 

You have run into a situation on the Durango that relates to the hardware part number on both certain Dodge Rams and durangos are the same….. only on the 5.7. Unfortunately once they're programmed with a software number then they become that software number and you would need something like witech to do a hot swap and change it on that vehicle. You probably could also do it with j-2534. You…

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Michael Technician
Indiana
Michael
 

Thanks for all of you guys that responded. I'm also sorry for taking this off topic. I installed the reman pcm. Didn't have to do any key stuff. They had already put the vin in also. The shorted oil solenoid driver is now fixed. On the down side, When I went out to start this thing (before I changed the pcm) the engine began rattling like something was in the fan. Figured I would look, once I…

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Nick Diagnostician
Missouri
Nick
 

You need to edit the FLpart file and flash it with the legacy j2534 application to correct the software issue. Also did you go into WCM/Skim and preform the replace pcm function to transfer secret key to new pcm?

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Jeff Owner/Technician
Arizona
Jeff
 

An ‘06 Durango doesn’t need the SKIM PIN unless you are programming new keys. Don't waste the $30. It might log a silent p06xx, but it wont have any functionality problems.

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Nick Diagnostician
Missouri
Nick
 

If you never preform PCM replace function and the truck has a skim it will never start and security light will stay on. Just had a shop tow in a 07 grand cherokee for this issue. They replaced the PCM and couldn't get it to run. Qll they did was write VIN. They didn't preform PCM replace or write mileage

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Jeff Owner/Technician
Arizona
Jeff
 

That's odd. I never perform the “replace PCM” function on a used NGC PCM unless the customer wants to pay for the PIN. Its not necessary. As soon as you write the VIN and cycle the key, it will start and run. The SKIM light will be on for 3 long key cycles and then go out, but it wont stop the vehicle from starting. GPEC is a different story.

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Nick Diagnostician
Missouri
Nick
 

Dealer gives us PINs for older ones no questions asked

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Jeff Owner/Technician
Arizona
Jeff
 

Well, that's convenient for you. They are breaking their agreement with Stellantis and NASTF by doing so. The FCA/Stellantis dealers are on a restricted program where they only have a certain number of PINs that they are allowed to look up per day. That is nation-wide and also applies to their own technicians. They are shut out when they hit the end. Around here, its easy for them to hit their…

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Jeff Owner/Technician
Arizona
Jeff
 

I use the 908P

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John Owner
New York
John
 

Jeff, You did a used PCM on a 2019 Rogue with Autel? I have no luck doing used PCM's on 2013 ish and up Nissan vehicles. Usually require some EEPROM manipulation.

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Timothy Owner/Technician
Wisconsin
Timothy Delay
 

Well, this one went off to the dealer. Due to some issues with the Nissan site (which I asked about in a different post), I could not do the job. The dealer insists that a used controller will work… This is a regular client, so I'm sure I'll have an answer soon….

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John Owner
New York
John
 

Timothy, I am very surprised that the dealer insists that a used controller will work and they will do it. Considering most OE's stance on used modules. It will be interesting if they indeed are successful with a used module. Please keep us posted.

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Timothy Owner/Technician
Wisconsin
Timothy
 

That was my thoughts on this as well…we'll see. As I said, if I can find out for us all, that'd be a bonus. Of course, if there's some ‘special’ method that they'll use, we'll never know…

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