Relative Compression Picoscope waveform

Robert Owner Kennett Square, Pennsylvania Posted   Latest   Edited  
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2017 Ram 3500 Big Horn 6.7L (L ETK 370hp) 6-spd (G56)
Relative Compression
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Hello,

I am delivering a class today (and tomorrow) that includes some (Pico)scope basics and today we ran a relative compression test on the above vehicle. See the attached file of the waveform. Any thoughts would be appreciated! Thanks ahead of time, too.

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Tanner Instructor
Wellford, South Carolina
Tanner
 

Was there any problem with this vehicle? Also if you would be so kind could you repeat this test with a cylinder sync? If so then we can at least tell when the anomaly is occurring.

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Chris Diagnostician
Commack, New York
Chris
 

Yes. What tanner said. Need a cylinder sync. The higher amperage is the engine trying to recover after a low cylinder

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Bill Technician
Rosetown, Saskatchewan
Bill
   

Oh.. Thats neat. Can you send a file? Its a 6 cylinder so it doesn't seem to be related to a single cylinder event. Only thing I can think of is an exhaust restriction at a certain frequency, but sure would like to see that file.

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Bill Technician
Rosetown, Saskatchewan
Bill
 

Nevermind. Its upside down as well. I get too easily excited. Still would like to see the file if that was possible?

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Brandon Diagnostician
Reading , Pennsylvania
Brandon
 

-Is this an amp probe capture or v-drop capture? -is the acquisition AC-Coupled?

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Robert Owner
Kennett Square, Pennsylvania
Robert
   

Tanner, Chris, Bill, and Brandon. Thank you for your replies. I will attempt to answer your questions . . . Tanner, there was no known issue with the truck; it is just a year+ old and 25K on the odometer. As it is a diesel, is there a way I can repeat with a cylinder sync? I don't know of one. help, please. Bill Hamilton, as the truck was just randomly pulled from the (DOT) fleet, there is

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Michael Diagnostician
Holt, Michigan
Michael
 

Can I ask why you are not using the Automotive software. Also appears your clamp is backwards as the current is going negative instead of positive. How are you keeping vehicle from starting? Sorry so many questions

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Brian Diagnostician
Willoughby, Ohio
Brian
   

Some scope basics are needed to polish this up a bit. Yes, I agree a sync must be needed to Identify WHEN a problem occurred but, lets analyze what we have as is. Your amp clamp appears to be backwards. (Scope trace down = current rising. Also everything is going to be in negative numbers.) Not impossible to interrupt but its trickier to analyze inverted patterns yielding negative numbers…

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Tanner Instructor
Wellford, South Carolina
Tanner
 

On the diesel you could use an injector to sync off of. Its not ideal but it will work for what you are doing. You can either use the turn on signal for the injector or you could use one of the pico wands for parking sensors and touch it to the fuel rail pipe for one cylinder and get a sync that way. It is easier to do on a gas engine so that may be easier test to achieve. Also be sure that the

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John Instructor
Beaver, Pennsylvania
John
 

Can you upload the psdata file?

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Jess Diagnostician
Windsor, Wisconsin
Jess
 

I'm still learning on this. But engine has a grid heater. It may have cycled off causing a shift in amperage. Next time try with key being on for a minute before cranking.

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Robert Owner
Kennett Square, Pennsylvania
Robert
 

Jess, Thank you - excellent point! As you know Cummins prefers that air intake grid heater over the glow plugs that others use. By the way, the new Cummins ISV5.0 in the Nissan Titan DOES use glow plugs. I added that engine to my coverage of Cummins diesels because of requests for it . . . Jess, a question: Any ideas on how to provide a #1 cylinder sync? Tanner (above) suggests using an

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Jess Diagnostician
Windsor, Wisconsin
Jess
 

I was going to suggest maybe a current clamp on injector wire. But won't work if fuel system is disabled. I believe the crank sensor has a reference notch. But haven't researched into notch position vs tdc. Pico is having a webinar on January 16th on this particular topic. Their newsletter sent out end of November has details.

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Robert Owner
Kennett Square, Pennsylvania
Robert
 

Thanks again, Jess. Regarding the webinar, it is a call-in. If it is toll free from the U.S. - all good. But, if not, I will likely wait for the YouTube version. But, thanks again!

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