Ford 1.6L timing Issue

John Educator Toronto, Ontario Posted   Latest   Edited  
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2013 Ford Escape S 2.5L (7) 6-spd (6F35)

Hi all, I'm hoping that someone with experience with this engine can help. I was at my former employers shop today and they have a 2013 Ford Escape stuck on the hoist that is a no start.

It seems that one of the apprentices was given the vehicle for a water pump, and proceeded to tear it down before reading any service procedures. The first line of the procedure says not to remove the crank pulley unless the crank and cam gears are locked in position. OOPS, TOO LATE!!! 

So after a little research on their behalf, I see that the crank gear isn't splined to the shaft, nor does it have any timing marks. So they purchased the timing belt lock down kit after the fact, and now of course can't get the engine timed. 

Has anyone been here before? If so, what was the procedure for getting the crank gear in the correct position? Any information will be greatly appreciated.

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Alejandro Owner
Burien, Washington
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U need the special tools to set up the timing

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John Educator
Toronto, Ontario
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Thanks Alejandro, they got the tools, just a little too late I think.

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Rusty Owner/Technician
Oakham, Massachusetts
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I believe the tool kit will provide the fixtures to lock the cams and crank in the correct position. There may also be a fixture to position the crank pulley that requires removing the CKP and installing the fixture in its place. Print and follow the SI procedure Me, I’d time it up and do compression test. They may have bent valves.

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John Educator
Toronto, Ontario
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Thanks Rusty, they bought the kit (too late) but they have it now. I think they tried to time it, but I fear they have bent some valves.

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Sean Technician
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Ok this is an easy one, take the plugs out, set the crank in a neutral position, rotate the cams until the tool fits, back the crank backwards until cylinder 1 piston at or close top tdc preferably a little before then insert the crank stopper, hand rotate the crank until it matches up

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John Educator
Toronto, Ontario
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Thanks Sean, that's pretty much what I told them. They said they tried that and it didn't work. I think it's too late and they've bent valves. I don't work there anymore, I was just visiting and was asked my opinion. I appreciate your response.

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Gary Technical Support Specialist
Rochester, New York
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John do you mean the timing belt will not set up correctly or the engine wont start after they put it back together?

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John Educator
Toronto, Ontario
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Hi Gary, the tech. I spoke to says they timed the engine and put it back together, but it will not start. If they have been cranking it and the timings out, I think it may be too late and they have bent valves. I was surprised to learn that the crank gear is not keyed to the crankshaft, I've never seen that before. Cam gears yes, but never crank.

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Jürgen Owner
San Cristóbal de las Casas, Mexico
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You 'll find this on several "European" Ford design engines like Mondeo, Focus etc. The ( Argentine) Ford Ranger 2.5l engine is the same. Some French cars from Peugeot and Renault ( and their ally Nissan)feature this same design and they are doing it for more than 15 years.

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John Educator
Toronto, Ontario
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Thanks Jurgen, good to know.

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Sean Technician
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Ahhh, that is definitely got a bent valve. I assumed they were like "oh crap" with everything still off.

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Randy Diagnostician
Glendora, California
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So if every thing is now in time do a relative compression test and use a first look sensor . And you will now be sure of issue

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John Educator
Toronto, Ontario
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Yeah, that's what you or I would do. These guys don't know what a lab scope is.

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Paul Mobile Technician
Salem, Massachusetts
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I just had a client shop call me in for a 2013 Escape with the 1.6. Came in with a leaking water pump. Tech tells service manager special tools are required. He's told, "don't worry, we know you can do it". To his credit, he match marks all rotating components including crank pulley/balancer. Engine starts/runs well after completion but ....P0017 DTC sets. They now source "the kit". Chinese…

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Matthew Mobile Technician
Bartlett, Illinois
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I have timed a handful of them... sometimes after the fact like your case. Sometimes they bend valves, sometimes they don't. I don't have the newest timing tool, but you can get by without... if the chain hasn't been removed. The GDI engine cam tool has a notch in it for the different length cams. I just use the bar to lock the cam without pump and vise grips to then lock both cams safely…

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