Ford Broke Their Software. Even Giving Dealers a Fit PCM Programming Failures IDS v.114
This week I spent some time in Northwestern Montana. I really like going to Montana. There is a reason they call it Big Sky country. It is a very large state with a population just over 1 million. There is no rush hour on the freeway. The speed limit is 80 MPH in most places. It is one place in the country that feels as comfortable as being home.
I visited a shop up there that I have not been to in a few years. The owner told me that he had a Ford Focus that neither he nor the dealer could program. It had a Ford refurbished PCM being replaced for coil driver failure. The bad coils were replaced and the computer was installed. When the shop owner told me the issue, I said "Oh yea, the new 114 version software has issues with some PCMs" He said that this is what the dealer told him. The vehicle was sitting in the dealer parking lot. The dealer uninstalled IDS and reinstalled version 113. They still could not get it to go. Being a challenge, I told him if the dealer was OK with me working in his lot, I would give it a whack.
Permission was granted. Since AC power was more than 100 ft. away I used my jumper cables to provide power. Not the best, but it works in a bind. I connected my IDS with version 113 software. The computer programmed fine. Since there was no inhale of info, I had to add the gear ratio, tire size, 2 or 4wd and traction control parameters. Again, it went through the second time just fine. When finished with the process the vehicle started and ran.
Here is the point of my article. The reason the dealer install did not work and mine did, is that I used IDS cleaner when going backward to 113. The dealer techs were unaware of the IDS Cleaner software. v.114 left artifacts in the software that caused repeat programming failures. This vehicle had sat in the parking lot for 3 weeks waiting for some better instructions from Ford's technical service. By having Friends in the business and forums like Diag.net this information is readily available. I had the information needed to be successful. It seems that this information was not relayed to the dealer tech.
Whow!!!!. Great Tip. I always let a couple weeks pass before update my IDS. I did not programmed anything these days, but will keep an eye in this glitch. Thanks a lot for Sharing. Thumbs Up!!!!!!!!
Thanks Mike. I had an issue today with 114 trying to do a PMI on a 05 Escape. Got it done finally after numerous attempts. Going back to 113 tomorrow. Allen Stephenson has been bitching and warning ever since 114 came out, now I have seen it first hand. I actually updated to 114 only because my VCM 1 wouldn't connect to IDS and I thought an update might resurrect it for some reason but no…
I recently heard from a shop their VCM1 stopped working as well. He states that Ford advised him VCM 1 support was ended with 112. Not sure if that is 100% true as I was not the one told.
Did you try 114.04 or 114.05 supposedly Ford fixed the issue as per Aug. 1 2019 broadcast message.
Hi Mike: Good point. A lot of people don't know, overlook doing it or just assume that it doesn't matter. From the FWIW Dep't: 114.04 "appears" to be working ok. I'll find out about 114.05 on Monday. I'm in no hurry to be an unpaid beta tester. I don't do it for Microsoft. I'll be damned if I'm doing it for Ford. Guido
All issues are fixed with version 114.05, if the dealership couldn't fix the issue it's not because they weren't told how to do it by Ford. We have had messages and direction from Ford ever since the release of 114 starting showing issues, and told them exactly how to get back to a good version of software. That dealership needs better techs who follow instructions. The information was there…
Agreed. I used 114.05 multiple times today with absolutely no problems.
Hi Matt, I got the information third hand. It could be that they don't pay attention to the memos. I agree, the issue is with the dealership. It seemed silly that a car sat there so long when it could have been solved by following instructions. Thanks for clarifying that Ford was supporting the dealers all along.
I will check what version of 114 I was using when I had the aforementioned issue.
114.05. I also had to restart the software a couple times after updating because it locked up as well as the issue I had with the PMI today. I programmed several other vehicles this week flawlessly however.
The only vehicle I had issues so far with 114.04 or .05 was a 2007 Explorer with a 6 speed transmission. 113.06 programmed flawlessly, but 114.04 FJDS and 114.05 IDS both would not complete with out testman errors
are you referring to "IDS Cleanup Utility" from here?; fordtechservice.dealerconnection.com/vdirs/wds/diag….asp
I went to this link to perform the IDS cleaner on an old laptop I hadn’t used IDS on for a while in preparation to install the latest version. This link is now dead. The latest VCI manager update created an un-instal program to use in place of this function.
Excellent tip Mike. The value of measured persistence in this industry is not to be understated. I haven't run into issues that require the IDS clean up utility of yet but I'm glad to have that in my back pocket.
The big question is Did you catch any trout? I love Montana.
Hi Dave, Unfortunately it was all work. I drove by many folks with fishing poles in hand. I have to say I was quite envious.
Unfortunately the 113.0X version of FJDS expired today. A clean install might help as opposed to just upgrading 113 to 114.05 good luck. diag.net/file/f3ty023nm…
Hello Mike - For whats is worth i updated to 114.05 yesterday and was able to successfully program a Lincoln MKX PCM and complete PATS relearn/parameter reset with no issues at all for another shop.. ( it was another coil driver failure issue too ) Thanks for the info on the IDS cleaner i was not aware of such.
Tried using 114.05 to flash a PCM into a 2010 Mustang 4.0, got the blue screen after the flash process and 2nd key cycle to On. Tried going back to 113.06, and like another mentioned, it’s expired. Even tried changing the date on my pc, no change since it can detect the date otherwise. Should I just continue force closing and relaunching the software until it finishes? Or should I just get it…
IDS and FJDS use the same core for programming. You can try to use a key off tear tag programming method, but DO NOT delete the original session files. if you want to uninstall FJDS, and wipe your system and reinstall, make sure you pull the IDS session files from C:\programdata\fjds(or IDS)\sessions. There should be 5-8 files with the partial vin as part of the file name. There is more…
Hi Chris, Sounds Like you know your way around IDS and FJDS Systems. Have you heard of any Issues with FJDS 116.03, That would not Push Programming into a Brand NEW FORD PCM on a 2016 E series ? Im going Crazy with one now where the Blue Bar comes across Half way complete, The Dash Comes alive and Then the Software stops " Unable to Complete ". Tried all different ways, Inhale/Exhale, As Built…
I have had intermittent programming faults on several vehicles since the release of 116.01. I have experienced similar issues with 116.02 and 116.03. Typically I remove all equipment from the vehicle power off computer, and battery reset on the vehicle. When you reconnect and reattempt by continuing the previous session, it should go into automated PCM recovery programming, if not try PMI…
Mike, Great read. I am a former dealer tech (self employed now 15 plus years) I do a great deal of Ford work at my shop, diesel, and gas. I do quite a bit of Ford programming, using the IDS. The IDS cleaner going backwards?? New one for me. what is the process for doing that. Thanks for for the tip Buzz
Hi Buzz, Geoff found the process in his comment above. Here is the link: fordtechservice.dealerconnection.com/vdirs/wds/diag….asp Once you uninstall the IDS software, you can run the clean utility to remove the rest of the program. Older versions will run. I had not seen the message Chris listed above. The other thing to consider is if your VCM or…
I've taught several dealer techs. They usually identify themselves as such before I begin and in every case - they arrive with a chip on their shoulders - sometimes claiming they already attended (put DEALER/MANUFACTURER info here)'s class so it's "unlikely you'll [I'll] be able to teach them anything they don't already know". So far, I've not concluded any of my seminars without a humbled…
Hi Jaime: In many …es, I find they don't understand that the way they did things at the store are different with the aftermarket. Therefore, the fallback positions may be different also. Once that concept is understood, things tend to go smoothly. Otay, it may take one oops but you (and they) get the idea. Guido