Autel Ultra

Kevin Technician Manitoba Posted   Latest   Edited  
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2008 Chevrolet Malibu Classic LS 2.2L (F L61) 4-spd (4T45-E)
No Power Door Locks Functioning

Had the pleasure to work on a 2008 Chevy Malibu for no power door locks. I decided to grab the GM Tech2 and perform a full module scan expecting to see some codes in the remote control door lock receiver module. However on a full scan …no remote control door lock receiver module was found. I back out and reboot the Tech 2 cycle the ignition key and perform another full scan… still no communication with the Remote control door lock receiver module. I grab my laptop with tech2win and perform another full module scan … still no door lock receiver module? I decided to grab the Autel Ultra because I know it had the network topology full module scan and the bus inspection tool . To my surprise after the full module scan … there it was on the topology view /Low speed CAN network “remote control door lock receiver module” with 23 codes in it. I review the codes and there was a bunch for internal module malfunction. (Jackpot) I get another remote control door lock receiver module and install it and program. I then perform another full module scan with the tech2 and finally there it was showing up on the network. 

What’s interesting is how the “Autel Ultra“ picked up the Remote control door lock receiver module yet the factory tech2 and tech2win both failed to populate the module. (which in all fairness..I have seen before) The Autel Ultra was the winner in this case over the ”FACTORY TOOLS”. Its interesting how some of these aftermarket tools can get the job done better/faster/more efficiently then a factory scan tool. To further make this point to the OEM ONLY Group, I had an AKL (All keys lost on a 2012 Caravan) The Autel IM608 scan tool not only erased all lost keys and pulled the pin code and programmed a key … it did it in like 2 minutes from booting the tool to going into the immobilizer side and performing the above tasks. 

Just go’s to show you, Learn How to use your tools quickly and effectively. And in *some cases* the aftermarket tools will blow away the factory tools!

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Mike Mobile Technician
South Carolina
Mike
 

This is HEINOUS! Crazy how reckless you're getting repairing your customers vehicles with non approved devices. Disgrace to the industry I say.

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Kevin Technician
Manitoba
Kevin
 

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Joseph Technician
South Carolina
Joseph
 

This made me laugh hard, but in all fairness to Steve we'll be at work Monday morning and he'll probably be on a yacht somewhere off the coast. Thanks for all your posts!

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Geoff Diagnostician
Hawaii
Geoff
   

ROTFLMAO You realize the founder of this web site makes videos for Autel right?

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Glenn Owner/Technician
Texas
Glenn
 

Hi Geoff W., On a side subject involving an in cylinder pressure transducer kit I have on another request. I am wondering if Autel will venture into that test equipment? This is an area the PICO and Ditex seem to have at the moment. I know Snap On has tried in the past, but their kit left a lot to be desired.

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Saifullah Diagnostician
Ontario
Saifullah
 

You need to relax. If the job can be done with non OEM, why not do it? I am tired of all the OEMs saying dont use anything but our tools. That's interesting because most of the time the subscriptions cost more than the diag time. Give the guy a break. He did good. In this field you have to think outside the box. And that's exactly what kevin did.

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Joseph Technician
South Carolina
Joseph
 

Lol don't worry Mike, I got it. Sort of off topic do you have any training coming down the pike, I need to get out of the house.

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Kevin Technician
Manitoba
Kevin
 

I am glad you got it… That was Mikes sarcasm in case anyone didn’t know!

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Mike Mobile Technician
South Carolina
Mike
 

Hey Joeseph! Nothing in person anytime soon. ASA is letting me rant about technician recruiting and teach an ADAS class at their X50 event next month though! Depending on how this Covid thing pans out I would like to do an event here in Charleston this summer. We will see!

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Daniel Technician
Ohio
Daniel
 

Are you joking 😆

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Kevin Technician
Manitoba
Kevin
 

No the Autel Ultra laid a beat down to the factory tools

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Rudy Technician
California
Rudy
   

Mike- I think the sarcasm went over at least 5 peoples heads…

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Raymond Mobile Technician
Michigan
Raymond
 

I'm glad you got the win Kevin, I have seen strange things like that with, for example the snap on verus edge would not communicate with a module but yet my autel did, sometimes I think its what the software on scan tool needs to communicate, and with controller networks you never know what the module require. I would have did the same diagnostic process , that's why we have several scan tools…

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Geoff Diagnostician
Hawaii
Geoff
 

Very interesting!! 2008 is on the "new" end of the spectrum out here, so the Tech2 applies to nearly every GM I see, and I already knew an AM tool was often more convenient/faster, (and no wonder since the T2 was designed in the early 90's), plus you get the "scan report" function for record keeping, but I had never heard if it missing a module before. I am curious though, I thought the RCDLR…

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Manny Owner/Technician
California
Manny
 

Way to go Kevin! I see nothing reckless about using an aftermarket tool that will make your repair faster, cheaper and better than an OEM tool. I also got the autel ultra and use it on most of my repairs first most of the time. For the features it has, it beats several other scanners that cost twice or more its price.

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Justin Mechanic
Tennessee
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Kevin Technician
Manitoba
Kevin
 

Despite not wanting to make my post long and drawn out I actually did go back in after using the Autel just to see again If the tech2 missed it , and yes it actually missed it continuously (7) times .. yes Iam a gluten for punishment lol. after the tech 2 and tech2win kept failing I also went BACK in with the ultra a SECOND time and both times the Autel kept finding the remote control door lock…

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Kerry Mobile Technician
Ohio
Kerry
 

Kevin, I wouldn't spend too much time worrying whether this was a vehicle specific anomaly....I've also seen it 3-4 times, always on the RCDLR. Its a "thing"! I too was a little stumped at first because the TECH2 doesn't work this way on any other modules....it gives you the menu or template to choose any or all of the possible modules, and returns "no comm" if it doesn't exist OR isn't…

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Jamie Owner/Technician
Ontario
Jamie
 

As a mobile tech I don't care what tool delivers the information required to get the vehicle fixed. As long as the rules regarding security are being followed…rock on

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Rick Technical Support Specialist
Missouri
Rick
 

Kevin, Great arsenal of scan tools to have access to. Great attitude and investigating while learning everyday.

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Kevin Technician
Manitoba
Kevin
 

Thanks Rick It makes the job enjoyable when you have a toolbox full of equipment to choose from… only problem with that is … sometimes you forget about a certain tool that you have that could knock the job out quicker and more effectively. For the J2534 passthru users (I have multiple ones to choose from) or MDI users. I tried to program a 2004 Chevy Aveo PCM. When choosing J2534 it would…

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Alan Owner/Technician
Mississippi
Alan
 

You mentioned the words (baud) (rate). That opens another can of worms for discussion. And it also tells me you are on top of your game regardless of what others think. like I said that's just my opinion everybody's got one. Alan K.

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Alan Owner/Technician
Mississippi
Alan
 

Kevin. Autel is the very tool I grabbed out of my arsenal when I want to do some quick testing. I don't know what all he yangyang is about. Case and point the aftermarket Autel diagnostic scanner did what the OEM Factory tool would not do like I said I don't know what all theYang Yang's about you found the problem. I'm having some serious doubts about even joining this particular site I see…

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William Technician
West Virginia
William
 

I think the real moral of the story and what Kevin is trying to portray is NEVER DEAL IN ABSOLUTES. We can always find new and creative ways to get better at working on vehicles.

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Gary Owner/Technician
Colorado
Gary
   

Right on, William. My motto for this business is, “Never say NEVER and never say ALWAYS.” :0)

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Tony Owner/Technician
South Carolina
Tony
 

Heck, it might mean something is the OEMs actually made tools. To the best of my knowledge all “OEM” tool are made by the A/M industry.

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Glenn Owner/Technician
Texas
Glenn
 

I have read in a couple of other places where Autel is not stuck in the traditional scan too rut. The network topology feature knocks the ball out of the park. I see this platform being successful if they don't overload the operations. We have all seen disasters in the past from these ‘Do It All’ tools. Hopefully they have all the bugs worked out.

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Aaron Diagnostician
Iowa
Aaron
 

A friend of mine had around a 2000 GMC k2500 that had a misfire and CEL. His cheap codereader gave him a p0307, he replaced the plug, wire, coil with no change so he asked me to take a look at it. Tech2Win read a p0300, even though his still read 307. My first thought was his cheap code reader sent him to the wrong cylinder. Using Tech2Wins misfire monitor, it was very clear cylinder 7 was the…

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Glenn Owner/Technician
Texas
Glenn
 

Hi Aaron W., Misfire codes are not picked up from the individual coils. It is read by the PCM/ECM from the crank sensor and trigger. This introduces the possibility of the misfire being on a companion cylinder. Mode 6 is great to have, but it is not always accurate. I have also noticed that many scanners do not report in real time so there is signal lag naturally built into many scanner. This…

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Aaron Diagnostician
Iowa
Aaron
 

Right, I understand all that, and have seen wrong cylinders ID'd before, which is why I used the term “most likely suspect”. When I first was asked to look at it I expected the Tech2Win to give the same DTC as the code reader, and I suspected it could be a companion cylinder or a neighboring cylinder in the firing order. I also knew it was possible that it was in fact #7 and there was something…

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Raymond Mobile Technician
Michigan
Raymond
 

Arron, same similar thing happened to me , and what I came up with was the scan tool has two diagnostic doors obd and manufacture , when I had enter year make model it showed p0300 but on the generic side it game me a specific misfire to a cylinder, I do believe the code reader is only generic, its always best to check both sides, just throwing that out there.

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Aaron Diagnostician
Iowa
Aaron
 

Good to know I'm not the only one, haha. I have heard to “check both sides”, but never heard of them giving different DTC's, more that it might get a DTC under one and not the other. I think I have seen more or less PIDS displayed on one or the other. But I can't fathom how it gives a more accurate DTC under generic, there must be something to it, that is above my pay grade. Thanks

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Jeffrey Mobile Technician
Illinois
Jeffrey
 

Bob covered the OBD2 side of things. Now for the manufacturer side of things, P0300 is a “Misfire Detected”, I have seen on some newer GM's a actual P030X misfire code. My understanding of GM always giving the P0300 is because they want the tech to actually look at misfire counters!

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Bob Technician
Massachusetts
Bob
 

It's because OBD is required to set a specific cylinder code. (3) MISFIRE MONITORING (3.1) Requirement: (3.1.1) The OBD II system shall monitor the engine for misfire causing catalyst damage and misfire causing excess emissions. (3.1.2) The OBD II system shall identify the specific cylinder that is experiencing misfire. Manufacturers may request Executive Officer approval to store a general…

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Aaron Diagnostician
Iowa
Aaron
 

Awesome Bob! Thank you! Raymond's reply got me thinking it may have to do with OBD protocol, and this verifies it, mystery solved. Glad I brought it up. Still kinda odd it doesn't call it out on the Mfg. side, but I guess they must not want the dealer techs chasing the wrong cylinder based on the code.

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Paul Technician
California
Paul
 

Hey Kevin, Just bought the Ultra myself. I am really pleased with the Topology map it shows for so many different makes and models. It makes network diagnosis a lot easier for me to understand. Congratulations on your fix!

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Alan Owner/Technician
Mississippi
Alan
 

Anyone ever heard of mode 6 ID 53 under the generic side of a scan tool to go to the back door to look at a misfire ? That's what I have done for years when I am in question about a particular cylinder or a misfire with a scan tool. Like the other fella said I was just throwing that out there. 🚙 + 🔧 + 🔩 + 🔨 + 🙏 = 🏁🏁🏁🏁

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Timothy Owner/Technician
Wisconsin
Timothy
 

Very often, if the module is non-communicating the Tech 2 will not show it in the list. It pays to know which modules are on-board. If you know it has a RCDLR module, then you know it's not communicating, and you head there. I would have just checked data lines, and power and grounds, and stuck a module in it…however, it's interesting how the Autel was able to ‘talk’ to a dead module… I have a…

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Andrew Technician
Wisconsin
Andrew
 

Its pretty cool that the Autel found the RCDLR and was able to pull codes. It’s not a case of your Tech 2 being wrong or having an error, just a quirk of how this particular problem presents itself. The RCDLR obviously had a problem communicating and for whatever reason they must not be speaking the right language when the Tech 2 asks for it on the roll call. I’ve seen this problem many many…

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