Ford and FDRS requirements for diagnosis
After the discussion with the Chrysler SGWM and accessing vehicles. I thought I would bring to light a discussion on the Ford vehicles and the FDRS requirements. Subject is a 2018 Ford Ecosport with a 1.0ecoboost with a message display concern. While hooking up the IDS I got a message stating IDS unavailable for this car, please use FDRS. So I fired up FDRS. And did my diagnostics and repair. While it was in here, I hooked up my Verus Edge and wanted to see what the Snap on Scanner was capable of. This has the latest software update available to it.
OK that's weird, it thinks I'm working on a 1988 Ford EXP. No good on that side. lets see what I can do on the OBD II side of things.
OK well I can pull codes, see monitors, and can view some generic data. And that is about it. I tried to manually ID it, but the scanner wouldn't even give me an option of selecting a 2018 Ford Ecosport of any sort.
So the IDS won't diagnose this vehicle, the Snap on won't diagnose it. Can't even read any modules besides the basic Generic OBD II data. Looks like the AM better come up with a solution or the shops better start ponying up for OE software subs if you want to work even on entry level cars. Ford has a few vehicles already that are only able to be diaged with the FDRS, and more are being added each year I am told.
Discuss among yourselves. :D
Here are some screen shots I took with my phone during FDRS diag. Note it’s cloud based and requires login to use. diag.net/file/f5kx7bn1d… diag.net/file/f1eqoh3dp… diag.net/file/f78ry2g3u… diag.net/file/f4dc3ta62… diag.net/file/f3svy514n… diag.net/file/f7j0xnngm…
FJDS should allow for full diagnostic functionality on 2018+ vehicles. However, some 2018 require FDRS and that is why FDRS is included with either IDS or FJDS subscriptions. as long as you have a Motorcraftservice or FMCDealer login. Has anyone tried FDRS with a Jbox yet? FDRS Vehicles Ford NA 2018 Expedition 2018 Navigator 2018 EcoSport IDS/FJDS Model Additions North America 2018
Do you know if the aftermarket scanner companies plan to gain access to these vehicles? Or will the aftermarket scanners become obsolete for access to anything besides generic?
Thanks for that Chris. I don't usually deal with anything that new, so I honestly hadn't researched yet, though I should have. I do see F-150 listed, so if I am understanding the FDRS release notes correctly, I can try it out on that truck.
Yes the F150 can be used with FDRS, even as far back as 2015. But some vehicles that are FDRS compliant can still be used with IDS and aftermarket scan tools. others can not. The Ecosport is one of them, which is why I chose it for this post.
Using FRDS requires a VCM2 correct? Or will a VCM1 work as well?
Hi Martin: A VCM-II is required. Same for Virtual IDS. HTH, Guido
Thanks for the reply. When you say virtual IDS, do you mean using IDS through motorcraftservice.com
Hi Martin: Yes, an online version of the IDS. You access it through OASIS. HTH, Guido
That's what I thought you meant. You can use it with a VCM1 as well. I do frequently. Thanks.
Hi Martin: I thought that they changed it. The last time we were playing with it, a VCM didn't work. Then again.... Thanks, Guido
The VCM I will still do IDS testing through the toolbox on OASIS as far as I know. I have one still, but don't use it since the dealer provided me with a VCM II and license. I'll try it sometime and see what happens.
Ha! Yeah the way things are going now, it may not work next week!
I have used FDRS a few times with VCMII, just a heads up LSID is required to program a RCM in a 18 expedition.
Matt, Thanks for taking the time to document the differences you encountered.
Matt, Thanks for the write up, and I'm glad to see your here. I just ran into that a few weekends back on my friend's 2018 F-350. Same deal, Verus Edge mis-identified. This weekend I planned on trying out FDRS, though from the list I could use IDS on it, while I'm up there. I'm going to try it with my J Box and will report back. There is also a 2018 F-150 there I can play with. Is there any
Biggest thing is make sure you have good internet. Otherwise it can be painfully slow to load. Also when you use it set up “favorites tests” then each time it downloads for a vehicle you are working on your favorite tests. Otherwise when you want to run a test you have to download it first. Other than that it’s pretty self explanatory.
Matt, Do you know if you can still manually enter the as built data?
Hi Chris" As I'm sure Matt will tell you, FDRS has its, shall we say, idiosyncrasies. It tends to work fine except for certain days ending in "y". One thing that a lot of the OEMs and Tier 1 vendors appear to have in common is when there is a server communication issue, they check it from their side of the firewall. (Hey guys. I'm out here, ya know.) I'm sure that they'll get the bugs out…
Guido, On most days it's pretty solid to diag and use. But as you said, Ford has some server issues along the way and that makes it tough. Especially when you are required to use Guided diagnostics that are integrated in the Workshop manual to get RVC codes for replacement parts. It's the same with FDRS when the servers are having issues, you won't be using it. It can make for some fun days…
Is there a link for Fdrs so I can see what it costs and interface is required, Honestly first time I’ve heard of this , but then again it’s really new. Thanks for the information.
motorcraftservice.com that should get you there.
Thanks just to clarify can you use FDRS on older vehicles or do you still need ids loaded as before. Meaning would you need 2 subscriptions to be able to do all.
Scott I have had no opportunity to use FDRS yet. But if you have an IDS licence it will also work for FDRS, same license. You need a user name and password to access FDRS. I believe you can use the same one you use to access the motorcraft website, same one you use to purchase an IDS license.
Matt. Thank you for posting this. Is it me or are the OEMs squeezing the aftermarket starting in 2018? The aftermarket tool companies are going to have to up there game if they still want a big piece of the pie. Im curious to see if Nastaf has any pull on this upcoming nightmare...(Donny Sefer?) Stay tuned as we are going to be in for a ride.
Hi Edwin: What squeeze? It could be you but I dare say that you are not alone. Guido
Guido...im talking about the aftermarket in general.
I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that the "aftermarket" has an issue when you only tried a Snap-On tool. Maybe Bosch, Autel, and Launch work just fine on that CUV. Most cars here are 15 years older so I'm not concerned.
Hi Geoff The point i was making is can the aftermarket keep up? Will the oems release the necessary information so the aftermarket can add it to there tools? I think this is whats going to separate the men from the boys as far as tooling goes.
In this area, I could get by with an OBD2 phone app and my Pico. If you live where customers can afford $5000 repair bills you should be able to afford OE tools. If 90% of your customers will only fix the basics, after market tools will continue to be just fine. That's my bet. Will anyone continue to blow HUGE $$$ on anything Snap-On makes when Launch and Autel are so much more capable? That