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Anthony Technical Support Specialist Pennsylvania Posted   Latest   Edited  

Does this spell the end of the internal combustion engine? No but this appears to be another slice in the death by a 1,000 cuts.

newpowerprogress​.​com/briggs-stratto…

Granted, I'm reading between the lines but B&S pulls some weight. It appears that the main mitigating factor is that all of the batteries in the world are coming from the same suppliers. B&S is just packaging them in this …e. 12-30 months from now, it will be interesting to see how things shook out.

For the curious: en​.​m​.​wikipedia​.​org/wiki/List_of_c…

While not listed in the preceding link, a Canadian company has entered the market.

Guido

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Matthew Mobile Technician
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It makes sense, adapt or get passed up by everyone else. I upgraded a bunch of outdoor power equipment to battery powered a couple years ago, haven't looked back since. No more gummed up carbs to mess around with and no pull cord to throw my back out :-) In all seriousness, it looks like they are targeting the commercial mower business first, these are the mowers that can be 15K+ brand new. Not…

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Anthony Technical Support Specialist
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Hi Matt: Mowers have had cats for years. Factor in maintenance and fuel costs, "e" units probably look very attractive. BTW, I'm starting a ghoul pool. Everyone kicks in $5. Whoever gets closest to guessing the number of people thrown from the electric ones in the first week wins. Guido

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Hollis Technician
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The Battery Bandwagon, who's next, Acme :O) I didn't dig too deep, but I wonder who makes the battery for them. vanguardpower​.​com/na/en_us/innov… Seems the race is on, ICE improvements, battery improvements, there will be a mix of power sources for the next few decades for sure. journals​.​sagepub​.​com/doi/full/10​.​11…

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Anthony Technical Support Specialist
Pennsylvania
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Hi Hollis: I tried calling my buddy, Wile E., but I was told that he was out bird watching. I'm not sure if you are being facetious on who makes the batteries and if so, for which one - Acme or Vanguard. Vanguard is B&S, if you didn't know. The editorial brings up W-t-W (Well-to-Wheel). This is a valid point and one that many overlook. I, for one, would never attempt to call any of these…

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Mark Manager
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Guido, I have seen past PM emission studies and tires generally is 50%. BUT. Way worse in desert SW where tire dust is not washed off roads for months. Therefore grind, grind, grind. Phoenix, AZ air quality can be very compromised by PM. Part of SIP program is street cleaning. Also atmospheric vs street level PM can vary greatly. The PM concentration next to major roadways...nasty. "Zero…

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Anthony Technical Support Specialist
Pennsylvania
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Hey Hippie: How've you been? I wasn't disputing that there is PM, Mark. I was questioning the accuracy (integrity?) of an advocacy group making false attribution. I'm glad that you picked up on our different worlds. With tires, the larger PM would be driven into the asphalt around here and become Zen in my mind. (Our roads are oil & chip.) This would, again in my mind, create lower PN…

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Hollis Technician
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Well Guido, I'm somewhere between facetious and sarcastic most of the time, subject matter depending, but not quite a grumpy old man yet and surely not directed at you :O) These Internet forums can be tricky places to communicate. That's why I end most of my sentences with this stupid 'smiley' face thingies. It's either that or X's & O's :O) The future of the ICE link was one of many, it…

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Anthony Technical Support Specialist
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Hi Hollis: Don't worry about me. I talk to myself all of the time. I still get smart-ass responses. People like you (yeah, you're one of those) are cognizant of bias. The ones who are not are the scary ones. I guess that I'm out to save a l'il part of the world also. One of the ways that I do it by fixing or helping people fix vehicles effectively. That piece of metal & plastic doesn't…

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Mike Engineer
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From some internal … work, we do some estimations for PM from exhaust (tailpipe), brake wear, and tire wear. For ~2010, we were estimating about 45/45/10% for exhaust/brake/tire wear PM emissions. Prior to 2010, exhaust dominated. By 2020 or so, brake wear is projected to dominate and be more like 20/70/10% for exhaust/brake/tire wear. Tire wear has been estimated as a pretty flat…

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Anthony Technical Support Specialist
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Hi Mike: LTNT, I trust that things have been going well and the barbecue hasn't gotten too close. I'm not surprised that there is such a large difference between brake dust and tire PM. As I mentioned, I'd think that a lot of the tire PM would be pounded into the pavement (auto-paving roads?). I agree with you about measuring brake dust. As I mentioned to Mark, we live in different worlds…

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Tom Owner/Technician
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spectrum​.​ieee​.​org/energywise/ene…

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Anthony Technical Support Specialist
Pennsylvania
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Hi Tom: I have a passing familiarity with a similar product. I saw this a couple of years ago when it was announced. youtube​.​com/watch?v=m9-cNN… The company is dealing with A123. A123 owns a stake in Ionic. ionicmaterials​.​com/2019/06/a123-s… They are building a manufacturing plant at their facility in Romulus. That's kind of interesting because they put the…

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