Using Non OEM Sources For Security Access

Michael Mobile Technician Utah Posted   Latest  
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2007 Jeep Liberty Limited 3.7L (K) 4-spd (42RLE)
No Crank / No Start

I was called to work with a friendly competitor on a Jeep this last week. We had a Liberty that is caught in the "Star Scan" ERA with both Legacy and CAN circuits. The vehicle was exhibiting signs that the key had failed causing the no start. Calls to the dealers yielded no help as FCA has cracked down hard on handing out SKIM codes. We had to do this old school. Since the SKIM module was non CAN, we were not able to read the SKIM code via OBD. At first we tried using the chip clip and the DMAX. It failed to read the EEPROM. So we went to the van and used the AR32A. It read the EEPROM. Now the issue is the EEPROM is encrypted. The solution is Code Wizard II. With Code Wizard the file was decrypted and we were able to add a key to the vehicle. The only tool that we had in our arsenal that would scan and program the SKIM was the DRBIII. Nothing else would connect. This is going to be an issue with older Chrysler vehicles. You could do the LSID thing and get the SKIM. Even with the time it took to disassemble the vehicle and module, I still think we were time ahead of tracking down signatures and IDs.

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Randall Owner/Technician
Michigan
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You guys amaze me with your generosity. Thank you so much for understanding that sharing is the pathway to a brighter future in automotive service. I hope 2020 is your best year ever!

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Tim Technician
Pennsylvania
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Im not so sure that would be faster than getting the key code through legit channels. If there is a security issue I put it on the shop to have the info I need when I get there (auth form, drivers licenses, registration, etc). I then bill for the pin code in addition to the service fee. The pin code costs me the same as 18 minutes of time in the shop (higher rate mobile so less time there). To…

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Michael Mobile Technician
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Hi Tim I, I can certainly understand your point of view. If it is working for you, that is fantastic. I personally like the idea of being able to work on a vehicle without getting the permission from the OEM. Having aftermarket solutions is key. Thinking of coming up with documentation for 4 to 5 jobs a day, paying out additional funds to the OEMs for every one is not attractive.

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Tim Mechanic
Arkansas
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Wow! I haven't even heard of a dmax or ar32a. Time for some research. Thanks!

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Sam Mobile Technician
Michigan
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I also have the dmax. Wonder if the autel im508 could have pulled it. Interesting enough I am enrout to an 06 liberty for a used skim module/column. So I may know the answer soon

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Jaime Diagnostician
Florida
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You MUST share with us whether it was monetarily beneficial for you to have gone through as much as you did in order to get the vehicle running again! Please? I mean: 1). the cost of ( ALL ) the tools used, (granted, depreciated already in most cases) 2). the cost of your education in the use of each tool (time spent), 3). the cost of the labor you put forth (more time spent), 4). the…

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Sam Mobile Technician
Michigan
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Ok. So 06 liberty dmax no go. Im508 gave me a number that drb3 stated was incorrect. Ran into this before. Retried using dmax to change vin was successful with pin from im508. Adeed key after vin update with no problems. Onsite 45 minutes. I think it was a profitable stop. Shop happy. Me happy. Customer gets a POS libery to drive

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Michael Mobile Technician
Utah
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Jaime, Andromeda Research AR32A $579 arlabs​.​com/automotive_kit… Code Wizard II About $275 with 200 Tokens. Chrysler Decryption No Token Required. It works with many makes and models. code-wizard-pro​.​com/product/cwp2-k…; I would no longer recommend DMAX. Development seemed to end in … Other products work better like the Auto Pro Pad. (Post CAN solution) I…

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Mike Mobile Technician
South Carolina
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I'm looking to get into EEPROM work. Why I need to have a background check in addition to a positive ID form filled out in order to perform repair work is beyond frustrating to me. But as the Global A modules are going to start to become discontinued many of those who rely on the OEM book alone are likely to lose work. Whether you're service is sublet or retail it's more than likely that your…

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Michael Mobile Technician
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Hi Mike, I am working on Global A ECUs. They are currently pretty inexpensive so it is hard to invest too much in reusing them. Kind of on the back burner. We will get to a point where the OEM no longer produces selected ECUs. At that point being able to use a second hand part will be valuable.

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Mike Mobile Technician
South Carolina
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Yea I've heard guys getting close to being able to change VINs and get them to work. Still way beyond me for now but I'm looking forward to getting my feet wet. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

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Michael Mobile Technician
Utah
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Mike, I have had one used PCM that I was able to clone for Global A. From what I can tell the seed key is different between Global A and Pre-Global A ECUs. EFI Live errors when trying to change VIN on the Equinox I was working on. It appears that a new ECU can be used for either Pre-Global A or Global A ECUs. The way I got it to work was to clone a virgin ECU to a non-global A ECU with the same…

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Michael Technician
Massachusetts
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Thank you for sharing the programs you used to work on the jeep liberty. What is the cost of the programs you mentioned and where did you get them?

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Brad Owner/Technician
Illinois
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With an LSID I was able to purchas a locksmith Tool called smart box mini. It will pull pin codes in less than 5 minutes. On the new Chrysler with ref hub It pulls a five digit pin. Wi tech is sensitive to tech connect generated pins and dealer access pins. Cost is ten dollars per car. Pulls 99 percent It also programs keys in most cars. Great tool. Had it for a year now.

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Justin Mobile Technician
Utah
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I will bet you it won’t touch this car. Prove me wrong, go hook up to a 2007 Jeep Liberty and pull the skim code. You won’t.

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Michael Mobile Technician
Utah
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Hi Brad, There are a handful of tools like the one you have on the market. Autel iM608 / 508, DMAX, Smart Pro, MVP, Auto Pro Pad. The Smart Pro and MVP are token based. The Auto Pro Pad, Autel and DMAX are purchased outright with an option of updates. (DMAX no longer supported) You can get the light version of the Auto Pro Pad for a price similar to the Smart Box Mini. There is no LSID…

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Kelly Diagnostician
Washington
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DRB III emulator WiTech 1.0 curious if that would complete the SKIM code functions

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Justin Mobile Technician
Utah
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It would complete the functions IF you have the skim code. Getting the skim code is the issue here.

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Michael Mobile Technician
Utah
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Kelly, Yes DRBIII emulator and Witech 1.0 would work on this model. You still have to have a source for the SKIM code. Either LSID, Read and Decode EEPROM, Online Purchase.

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Kelly Diagnostician
Washington
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Perfect! I have WiTech 1.0 with enhanced emulator.

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Geoff Diagnostician
Hawaii
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Mike, was this an exercise in "I wonder which will work" like in case the web is down one day, or do you really not have an LSID? I thought all you mobile guys did that just to dot the i's so to speak. I'm still amazed, that way out here, the local locksmith is the wizard on all this stuff, and yet, in so many places in the "real world" the auto guys have to figure out keys. I even went to the…

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Michael Mobile Technician
Utah
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Geoff, I am always looking for back doors. And yes, the OE websites go down quite often. Having alternative solutions is great when that happens. For instance, I still have my ACDELCO TIS 2000 disk and rainbow key. When the GM servers go down, I am good to 2007. I have IDS up to 2012 when they briefly went to DVD. So Ford and Mazda are covered. If that does not work or if the vehicle is newer…

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Geoff Diagnostician
Hawaii
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Thank you. I, too, have the TIS2000 set-up, but have never used it. Had it three years now. (good evidence on my typical market description here). I know it works, I think, because I managed to do a Tech2 snapshot once. That was by far the most difficult Windows project I ever undertook. What does somebody need to get the 2012 IDS running?

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Michael Mobile Technician
Utah
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The problem with the IDS is that Ford is always updating the firmware on the VCMII. Basically you have to roll back the firmware. There is a button on the VCMII that you push while powering on the unit. This resets the firmware. That allows you to connect to the PC and downgrade to 2012. This only works with the genuine VCMII as far as I know. The original VCM should also work and I believe that…

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Geoff Diagnostician
Hawaii
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:-) Break glass! Thanks Mike.

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Andrew Owner/Technician
Iowa
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I love reading this stuff. Just starting to dive in to some EEPROM work using my Autel IM608. Would love to see more discussion on this type of work.

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