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Amir Mechanic Michigan Posted   Latest  
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2011 Ford Escape Limited 2.5L (7) 6-spd (6F35)
Crank / No Start

Customer comes in with a 2011 Ford Escape.. the car was towed.. upon trying to crank the car it sounded as if it didn’t have compression so I pull the plugs and valve cover the verify cams and moving and I run a compression test.. zero compression on all cylinders .. the chain is still tight.. but the thing is the motor will spin completely with the starter but I can only manually turn it so far either way and it locks up.. but will turn again if I engahe the starter

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Robert Mobile Technician
Michigan
Robert
 

Sounds like to me the bolt to the harmonic balancer may be loose or is spinning on the crankshaft. Have you read service information on replacing a timing chain?

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Obie Technician
Washington
Obie
 

Have you used a borescope to check for piston/valve damage? Leakdown test? Either test should answer your wuestion.

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Mervin Owner/Technician
Indiana
Mervin
 

Hello Amir We would like a bit more explanation, what do you mean by “ the motor will spin completely “? When you turn by hand do the cams move, chain move ?? Does it feel like a solid lock? If so how does the starter turn the engine ?

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Glenn Owner/Technician
Texas
Glenn
 

Hello Amir, Add a few ounces of oil to each cylinder then repeat compression test compression test to see if it now has some compression in at least a couple of cylinders. This issue favors fuel washed cylinders or jumped timing. If they did a recent fill up and the problem started, check the fuel quality for water or contamination. Ground tanks still have issues with water migration…

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Marlin Technician
Oregon
Marlin
 

You did what?

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Scottie Owner/Technician
North Carolina
Scottie
 

Do the cams turn either manually or with starter? Check flywheel . It may be broken.

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Paul Mechanic
Illinois
Paul
 

Asking another way to clarify: when you use starter and think it's turning engine over(rotating) , are you sure it's engaging flywheel (pinion gear coming out) or is it possible that it's sheared off and starter motor is spinning?

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Paul Mechanic
Illinois
Paul
 

Apologize, reading your post again, you stated you see cams rotating.

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Amir Mechanic
Michigan
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The camshafts are both turning when I manually turn the crankshaft with a socket but it will only turn about 180 degrees and hit a dead stop.. if I manually rotate it in the reverse direction it will rotate until a dead stop again.. now if I engage the engine with the starter the motor will fully rotate and the cams are moving as well.. balancer bolt is tight .. serpentine belt rotates when…

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Cmore Mechanic
Connecticut
Cmore
 

I have had this problem before. More than likely valves are bent. Starter will spin engine fast enough to crank over but turning by hand piston will hit valve and lock up.

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Amir Mechanic
Michigan
Amir
 

That seems logical upon further inspection it seems the exhaust cam is out of sync .. haven’t really heard of these engines jumping time.. I can’t seem to find a definite answer of this is an interference engine or not

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Chris Technical Support Specialist
New York
Chris
 

If the valves touched, it needs inspection, a borescope may be useful for checking the pistons. With high miles and poor maintenance, I have experienced the cam gears slipping slightly on the cams, but usually only causes fuel trim or surge issues. Check for evidence of slipping between the cam gear and cam.

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Marlin Technician
Oregon
Marlin
 

That indicates that at least one piston is hitting at least one valve or carbon buildup, the low/no compression indicates that multiple valve have been hit and damaged. Use a borescope to inspect it. This is all normal stuff, nothing very special here.

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Amir Mechanic
Michigan
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To be in the game this long I’ve never purchased an inspection camera I have a maxisys ultra that I’ll have to order the camera for in the mean time I’ll go purchase the harbor freight camera and report back on the valve contact

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Amir Mechanic
Michigan
Amir Update
 

Inspection camera did show position to valve contact on the exhaust cam side .. not knowing the extent of the damage I’m leading toward changing the motor as opposed to a head job… thanks for the help .. I really appreciate it

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Jesse Engineer
Missouri
Jesse
 

General rule, zero compression, bent valves. Chain jumped time. Probably weak tensioner or high rpms(racing it). Extreme down shifting if a manual trans. Just have the exhaust valves replaced if that's all that touched. I do my own for a fraction of head rebuild. New valve stem seals and 8 exhaust valves, around $100. Seats aren't hurt, just replace valves. For security lap them in if you want…

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Jesse Owner/Technician
Georgia
Jesse
 

If it looks like a new belt on the ac , they probably removed the crank pulley instaed of stretching the belt on as required. Needs valves, and retimed, requires a kit no way around it

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Amir Mechanic
Michigan
Amir Resolution
 

A bit of new information.. so somehow the oil pan drain screw came out while driving.. I’m guessing while driving the oil pressure dropped causing the tensioner to lose tension causing the timing to jump.. not knowing the extent of damage the bearings received with out oil pressure.. i opted to just replace the motor. they’re fairly cheap here in Michigan for $150-500

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Chris Technical Support Specialist
New York
Chris
 

Low oil pressure on these motors can cause the cam to bind up allowing the gear to slip on the end of the cam. The ratchet lock typically prevents the tensioner from allowing the chain to jump.

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Amir Mechanic
Michigan
Amir
 

Can’t really describe what caused it to jump but the exhaust cam is way out of sync .. intake and crank shaft timing marks are dead on

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Glenn Owner/Technician
Texas
Glenn
 

Hello Amir, I always enjoy hearing the “Paul Harvey” version of "The Rest of the Story” during the diagnostic process. Fortunately, you did not blindly tear this down just to find the engine was a boat anchor. At that point usually the customer wants the shop to give away that labor once the decision to put an engine in it is established. Just out of a guess, the cams got hot from lack of oil…

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Amir Mechanic
Michigan
Amir
 

well around this time of year when profit sharing and income tax if flowing.. they really didn’t care for the explanation lol. They just want It fixed at this point

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