09 Caravan A/C clutch operation

David from Metter Owner Posted   Latest   Edited  
Case Study
Electrical
2009 Dodge Grand Caravan SE 3.3L (E EGV) 4-spd (41TE)—2D8HN44E79R542069
P0533-A/C Pressure Sensor Circuit High
No A/C Clutch Operation
Totally Integrated Power Module Failure
A/C Pressure Transducer Signal

I wanted to share this fix with you all. This 09 Caravan had no A/C clutch operation and P0533-A/C PRESSURE SENSOR CIRCUIT HIGH stored and current in ECM. The A/C pressure sensor reading in ECM and TIPM (Totally integrated power module) showed around 5 volts and 450 psi which was inhibiting A/C compressor operation. TIPM supplies 5 volt reference and ground to A/C pressure transducer on RH side of engine compartment behind air filter box and then processes signal voltage and sends signal information onto ECM so ECM can determine A/C clutch operation. See attached diagram.

Tested for 5 volt reference and ground to A/C pressure sensor. Found 5 volt reference but no ground. When I supplied ground to the sensor ground wire my pressure reading in TIPM and ECM went to 0 volts and 0 psi. Strange ... there must be a short between the signal wire and ground wire. I removed connector from A/C pressure transducer and also from TIPM and load tested signal, ground, and 5 volt reference and verified no shortage to power or ground or to each other. I tested powers and especially grounds into TIPM and all were OK. I determined that the signal circuit and ground circuit must be shorted internally in the TIPM since we had no ground on ground wire but rather the 5 volt bias voltage from the signal circuit. Grounding the ground wire or the signal circuit gave us the same result of 0 volts and 0 psi as i stated earlier.

I replaced Totally Integrated Power Module assembly with Reman Mopar and installed new A/C pressure transducer just in case old sensor had caused TIPM to go bad. Left key on for 12 seconds after TIPM installed per instructions for TIPM to download vehicle configuration data from the other modules and A/C compressor engaged and worked properly and A/C pressure transducer readings were correct in TIPM and ECM.

Regards

+4

Geoff from Lahaina

 

Diagnostician
 

Those crazy TIPM just find a wild new way to fail every day! Internal shorts aren't the every day issue so thank you for sharing this. Tough to remember how many different things can go wrong when I go years without seeing them..

0

Tom from Santaquin

 

Owner/Technician
 

thanks for sharing

i have a 2001 dodge 2500 5.9l gas a/c problem turn on a/c switch and eng. dies. still not sure witch pcm or tipm after testing. i cut the wire at pcm a/c select input c3 connector 23 to test and try and figure witch way to proceed. seal the wire ends up. the customer now has his defrost for winter. identifix has not help info.

0